Don't Look Under the Internet
Don't Look Under the Internet
DLUTI 192 - Drowned God: Conspiracy of the Ages
This week we talk about a mysterious game from the mid '90s and the dark cloud cast over its legacy by its creator.
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Speaker 3:Or jizzard which again is the abbreviation of jizz wizard. Yeah, we are educational as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly On this podcast. Don't Look Under the Internet. We're an internet horror comedy podcast and we do it just as well as you would expect. I'm here with my co-host, as usual, jason.
Speaker 3:I don't think so.
Speaker 1:My other co-host, as usual, doug. Hey Hi, my other co-host, as usual, doug. Hey Hi, my other co-host, as usual, matt.
Speaker 2:I do it just as well as you would expect.
Speaker 1:And I am the other co-host. Mike, I need to get back. I'm trying to go for a retro thing. I'm not trying to go for it now, but I want to get back into a retro thing of getting the fucking puns back. You gotta bring TMZ back, bro. Tmz like getting the fucking like puns back. Remember when I had the whole you gotta bring TMZ back.
Speaker 2:Tmz, yeah, that's what I mean we stopped doing TMZ because you were killing people, but I'm thinking we can use this power for good, so really only one person to housekeep here thought that was a Matt thing.
Speaker 1:It wasn't, it was my daughter is it Matt or Amelia?
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Speaker 2:on buttered sausage?
Speaker 4:We don't want to talk about buttered sausage. I I put that video in the chat, by the way.
Speaker 1:Oh, hell yeah, I'll look it up. Boys, I feel like we're drowning in good times tonight. God damn it. Am I right? I think we're drowning in good times tonight. Oh, that concludes housekeeping. We're drowning in good times tonight.
Speaker 3:Are we drowning in good times tonight? I think we might be drowning in good times tonight, guys.
Speaker 4:You know what? You said it and then at first it didn't register. And now I hate it even more.
Speaker 1:You know, there's other people that are drowning Of the Jesus Christ-esque variety.
Speaker 2:What I'm talking about? A drown I'm really pulling through right now.
Speaker 1:It's working right Butternut. I'm talking about a drowned god, if you will. Just one One might say I don't know.
Speaker 3:Maybe three, who knows?
Speaker 1:Who knows, I never finished the game. I mean it might not be a game, who knows, we'll get there. Rip that band-aid off real quick. Cheers, doug. Yeah, we're talking about Drowned God tonight, which is something that doug brought to our attention and uh was nice enough to make the outline, so I didn't have to. I had a. I had a a week off, which was really cool. Um, doug, is there anything you want to mention about this before we get too deep into the woods?
Speaker 4:oh fuck, yeah, actually I wanted to. I wanted to pull up this fucking facebook group um keep talking for a second is. Is it Clown Girl?
Speaker 1:Honk Heaven. It is not. It's unacceptable. Fuck, you were not prepared for this at all.
Speaker 4:No, this just came to my head and you mentioned it. Anyways, the aesthetic of this game is what I'm trying to look for. There's a word for it and I cannot remember what it's called, but I'm in a Facebook group.
Speaker 2:Did you just say aesthetic, aesthetic?
Speaker 4:Aesthetic, it's just aesthetic homie. Whatever, it's fine.
Speaker 3:But yeah, I'm in a Facebook group for this certain look of things, if that fits you better, Mike, Like Missed Riven, those kind of surreal semi-real, but it kind of surreal, semi-real.
Speaker 4:But it also goes to like all those like old school, like videos and book covers and like shit.
Speaker 1:Like that I fucking cannot remember the name of it, but find that for me because I was just talking to our buddy Robbie about how this specific like art style is like my all time favorite.
Speaker 2:I will tell you no, not no.
Speaker 4:Um again, if you, if you can keep talking, mike, I can definitely look it up. It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, um, I'll look it up later. But uh, yeah, this, this game follows like that category of stuff, like really really well, um it. I'm sure uh matt will put up some like images from it and whatnot, but I'm sure he won't. I'm playing.
Speaker 1:Nah I gotta play through.
Speaker 2:Fuck you, Doug. Oh, you know what I just noticed.
Speaker 1:Not to get too off topic, but fucking Cum Moners is in the Discord, the Jizz Whalers the original.
Speaker 4:Jizz Wizard. Did I see something about that getting changed or did we talk about that already? Yeah, I think they just changed it from jizz to like.
Speaker 1:It is just like jazz now or something that's. That's that's great, mike we all know george lucas is changing star wars once again erasing our history yeah so drown god, while doug spends too much time looking at this thing.
Speaker 4:Yes, basically this video game utopian scholastic designs.
Speaker 2:Utopian scholastic designs that's a fun vibe so you're talking about the art style of like what, like those reflective, like trapper capers, yeah, like um, like elisa, like trapper keepers.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:Like like Elisa.
Speaker 1:Renee and shit.
Speaker 2:Like the thumbnail of our last YouTube video.
Speaker 4:Yeah kind of it's just like weird shit like that. If you look, if you just look that up on Facebook, you'll find the group that I'm probably talking about. But either way, yeah, mike, go ahead. I cut you off.
Speaker 1:I literally was just trying to buy time.
Speaker 4:Thank you, please talk more. We'll go straight into it then. Drowned God is a video game. As we mentioned, it was released in 1996 and it's called Drowned God Conspiracy of the Ages. It's a surreal point-and-click adventure game that explores some of the darkest and most creative conspiracy theories that are just interwoven into the game. It's developed by Enscape and created by a man named Harry Horse, which is a really weird name to rename yourself, but sure we'll go over that later.
Speaker 3:Come on, sure, you can't even pretend.
Speaker 4:I got that Harry horse brother. So again, this game was pretty unique, even I don't know considering for other games in the 90s. But on the surface it kind of looks like a cousin of Myst, a first-person puzzle-heavy exploration game, but it's a really ambitious attempt to stitch together everything from ancient aliens, lost civilizations, secret societies and occult rituals my guy watched the history channel and was like all of it all of it condensed, but, yeah, it's pretty much a game that is, a reimagining or a retelling, or maybe even the real version of human history, and it's pretty interesting, to say the least.
Speaker 4:Um, so the premise of it is that, um, you know, we're looking at a fictional conspiracy that is basically rewriting human history as you know it. Um that we did not evolve naturally and that we were probably created from extraterrestrial beings. Um, truth is being deliberately hidden, um by secret societies. Um, and you kind of play through as an unnamed protagonist who receives this mysterious letter from a man named moses, and the letter claims that this history as we know it's a lie, and then, uh, encloses a manuscript filled with all these like strange symbols and warnings about a cosmic truth long buried. Um, and basically, this journey takes you through four distinct realms over three cds.
Speaker 1:Um, atlantis that's a lot of ram, hey man yeah, riven was nine cds.
Speaker 2:How many floppies is it if I get it on floppy?
Speaker 4:uh, it's 149. Uh, floppies, if you want it. Um, that's the deluxe edition, but uh, yeah, so you go through some different realms. Um, a lot of this story is based off of atlantis. Uh, atlantis, and like, uh, the lost civilization and Ancient Tech and all that shit. You'll go through Nazi, occult bases, victorian dreamscapes.
Speaker 4:It's always Nazis. They had such a big I'll go over it in a second but they had such a big. Nazis were so mystified with fucking wizardry and warlocks and all that shit. It's really fucking weird, but yeah, you'll go through that. Uh. Victorian dreamscapes and dystopian cyber futures um, all of these things are blendings like spiritualism, steampunk, philosophy, alien tech, magic, um, artifacts, lost civilizations, all this crazy shit, um, and you get a bunch of history about, like the knights, templar, the I'm gonna butcher this rosa crucians I don't, I'm not super familiar with that and then the Thule Society, which is the whole fucking Nazi wizard thing, and then all this. Yeah, I actually meant to look that up and I totally didn't.
Speaker 1:so that's on me. Is that a?
Speaker 4:Jamaican crab. Bobsled team actually, but yeah, so you get some really weird shit out of this game. And it's just, you know you, we played okay, so we played a bit um together. You'll never, and it's, it's, it's, it's rough, it's. I'll tell you it's rough. Bring bring friends bring a couple. Yeah, you can shoot the shit with yeah, because otherwise it's just you and your thoughts, and that's not great.
Speaker 2:You, your thoughts and Nazis yeah.
Speaker 4:But yeah. So the gameplay style it's a first-person exploration. You navigate pre-rendered environments. It's pretty detailed actually for what they were working with in the 90s. It looks, it looks, I say good, but obviously it's shitty graphics, but it looked nice for them.
Speaker 4:I should say there's a lot of motion video, full motion video use that they use where you can tell they've fully rendered out long videos for storytelling purposes. Right, there's lots of puzzles. The tone, the atmosphere atmosphere is like very dark and haunting and there's like a really weird trans, like transient, like soundtrack happening in the background and, um, it's very uh, it's kind of it doesn't really help you, it doesn't hold your hand at all. You're just kind of stuck in this weird planet realm thing trying to find your way through. But there's a really good storytelling to it.
Speaker 4:There's a lot of details and there's a lot of actual like reading and you know watching and like actually getting a storyline from it instead of just like you running around doing nothing. So that's really the basics of the game. Uh, because we were playing the game, we weren't trying to go too deep into what's inside of the game, like we're gonna talk about it, but we weren't trying to deep, deep dive it and then, um, you know, life happened and we lost the whole first part of our video. So there was a we'll see what happens's a point.
Speaker 1:There's a point while playing that game where we literally Jason, was just reading off Google.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, do this next.
Speaker 2:Okay, do that 100%. Oh my God, the strategy guide is what you needed.
Speaker 1:You need, like I will tell you, if you ever want to play this game, it is almost required to have a strategy guide, strategy unless you have five years of your life that you just don't fucking care about, unless you're the biggest autistic motherfucker on the planet you, unless you're a rain man mixed with fucking, I don't know. Dexter, you need some form of instructions. Yes, sherlock holmes, you need manual.
Speaker 4:So I I was looking at buying this game on ebay and in the pictures of the listing that I saw um the actual book inside of the game is like just a notebook that you're supposed to take notes in.
Speaker 1:You know I'm not surprised a lot of old games did that?
Speaker 3:The very back of that notebook has all the answers.
Speaker 4:Yes, they give you all the puzzle guides in the back of the book.
Speaker 3:They don't spell out the answer and be like go here and put this in.
Speaker 4:It tells you how to figure it out and then you can do it. But, um, I do have a bunch of like occult examples, uh, that I can go over a little later, but I think we can, uh we can, bring it on to uh our next section here. Um, if you'd like matt.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So it shouts out to the one nostalgic on youtube, the number one nostalgic who's like let's play. I've been showing throughout this. They have like a whole beginning to end let's play recorded, so go check that out if you actually, and we're re-uploading that yeah, take their views.
Speaker 1:It's called fair use mike it's just this is reaction, it's a reaction um.
Speaker 2:So when this game came out, it was actually one of the best selling video games in the us. Uh, for the first couple months after it came out, I guess it was really buggy at the time. Some people, um, complained that's like hurt sales for a little bit, uh, because the support wasn't very good. I guess the actual critical reaction to the game was pretty mixed. Some people were super into it because of it does have this pretty interesting otherworldly atmosphere. A lot of critics praised that. One person said that it was the strangest, creepiest and most psychedelic adventure game that they'd yet to come across.
Speaker 2:But other people complained that it was just like way too confusing, which, if you don't have those answers, I mean it. The issue that I see with it is like a lot of the puzzles are just because, like there's definitely parts where you just have to like click on things and be like, oh, this thing moves rather than like any actual logical step from a to b to c? Um. So people complained about that. People complained that there was just like way too much going on and that they were trying to cram too much stuff into it, which I think those people just didn't see the vision, man. I think that's the issue here, and I think the people that couldn't figure it out they were just too stupid. Um, and then there were people who just said that the game was like way too tedious, which I think, yep, I, I think that I probably agree with that.
Speaker 2:I, I don't like games that are just like basically just to frustrate you, which I feel like some of the puzzles here are meant to just frustrate you uh-huh, yeah, the isaac newton, albert einstein puzzle.
Speaker 4:Yeah, in fucking specific sorry, yeah, that fuck that puzzle.
Speaker 2:So stupid, yeah. So, um, basically, it just kind of it was a little bit too ambitious and tried to cram too much in and it suffered because of that. There was a lot of content that had to be cut and Harry Horse himself said that the game was actually incomplete and that there was a longer story and that the rest of the story would be released in a sequel called cult. But that never happened. There was some content that was apparently developed for the sequel, but any of that content that still exists now belongs to harry's relatives and we'll get it in more into why that is later.
Speaker 2:The game kind of has come back into the spotlight a little bit in recent years because there have been a lot of YouTube videos about it and about the events surrounding the game itself. But even before that happened, the game did have a little bit of a cult following. You can go back and find old Reddit posts and stuff where people talk about trying to get the original version of the game to run on modern hardware, which I guess is a bit of a challenge. And then I found a pc gamer article, which is actually a really interesting read if you can go find that just like put in pc gamer and drown god. But there's some interviews with the different developers that were on the development team at the time and one of them said that like even years after the release of the game, even though he doesn't even make video games anymore, people would track him down and contact him and be like hey, is there ever a sequel to this game coming out? And he'd be like no, that's, it's never happening.
Speaker 1:Sorry, he actually drowned god, tokyo drift, come on now. He actually did stated it as people contacting him from their bunkers, which I think is a little bit of insight into the type of person who may be really interested. I was going to say, if you're playing this game, that sounds about right. That makes so much sense.
Speaker 4:The sequel's called Cult Breathing man.
Speaker 1:Crouching.
Speaker 2:Grass, the game Breathing man Radiation. The game was eventually re-released in June of last year, so almost exactly a year ago on the Epic Game Store, so you can actually just go buy the game now. But unfortunately, when that happened, they pulled down all of the archives of the original version of the game that were easy to find. Before that happened, you could basically you could go find this on the internet archive or abandonwareorg pretty easily, but those aren't there anymore. Well, that's disappointing. I think, the game is like $16 or something like that.
Speaker 3:Now if I were to visit the Abandonware site on a web archive um is there more to that sentence? Usually would that work or?
Speaker 2:I don't know, because the links like archiveorg will like it'll archive a whole web page, but a lot of times, like links to files, don't actually work, so I didn't try that so you can't wayback machine it yeah, wayback machine. The abandonware archive yeah, drowned God was not for sale on Steam. Wayback Machine. Yeah, wayback Machine. The.
Speaker 3:Abandonware Archive Drowned. God was not For sale on Steam. It's so fucking specific I don't know, try that out.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that's pretty much all I got On the background of the release Of the game.
Speaker 3:Hell yeah, I am not kidding. If you guys do end up going To scoop this and you get to a room that shows isaac newton and fucking albert einstein, strap the fuck out you're gonna be right now in the video or we're just seeing.
Speaker 1:I guess it was the worst puzzle ever that we came across that so far yeah, disc one, yeah now, oh my god. Doug mentioned my boy, harry Horse and uh let me tell ya, uh, did you know, doug?
Speaker 4:his name ain't Harry Horse, I did Mike thank you for asking golly golly what just happened.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I'm literally sitting like over here and Mike's just like I need the whole table. If my camera's not on me, it's not on anybody. I just want a place to put my drink, man.
Speaker 1:So Harry Horse was actually born, richard Horn, in May of 1960.
Speaker 4:Richard Horse, richard.
Speaker 1:Horse, dick Horse.
Speaker 3:Oh my god, we found it.
Speaker 4:We got there so.
Speaker 1:Richard or Harry, whatever you want to call him, was raised on a farm in Coventry, which I have no idea where Coventry is.
Speaker 4:I'm starting to think this man is actually a horse.
Speaker 1:He might have been raised on a farm.
Speaker 3:Grass-fed from the time he was up to shortfall.
Speaker 1:All the telltale signs are there. He might be a horse.
Speaker 2:That would really play into the conspiracies about what happens later seeing as he wouldn't have any opposable thumbs.
Speaker 3:There's a whole layer to this that we didn't consider.
Speaker 4:He goes by He-Horse.
Speaker 3:No, it's He-Ha and that's a donkey Doug.
Speaker 4:Oh sorry, you're right. You're right, I was being ignorant.
Speaker 3:Go ahead, Mike.
Speaker 1:Carry on whenever you feel like you're. Oh, thank you. Yeah, so he was born on a farm in coventry. Uh, his mother would often tell him stories that there were polar bears that would always go marauding around the nearby woods. Um, obviously didn't happen, because, uh, he was not born in the arctic, so he went to his mom and was just like there's no polar bears around here. And that's when, apparently, this family must be either really boring or really weird, because there was a like family phrase that came out of this that was just there aren't any polar bears here, and apparently that quote stuck with the family for like generations.
Speaker 2:Everything Mike is reading sounds just completely made up. I know it's like when a kid asks for a bedtime story and you don't actually have a book, so he's like they're polar bears.
Speaker 3:His document's blank. There's no word.
Speaker 1:I actually pulled this from the Ascension's glossary. He's just reading an Ascension's glossary. He's just reading at Ascension's Jesus Christ oh God, when Harry was 10, he moved with his three sisters. They moved on to another farm where he basically started. This is when he started becoming a storyteller. He would always tell stories to his sisters about how santa claus would visit their farm with the reindeer. Um, they dubbed their. I believe they dubbed their farm reindeer farm just because of that yeah, yeah, these.
Speaker 1:There's no critical thinking going on in his family when, uh, when, he was in school in rug bay. So I'm assuming this guy's from england here's the thing I pulled all of this.
Speaker 2:Or Australia I pulled all this from. He's very much from England.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I pulled all this from the Harry House website, which was harryhousecouk Horse. Yeah, I had a horse. Harry House, harry House. Eventually it's going to be like Hubert Humper, yeah, so. I pulled all it's the UK because Coventry doesn't get more English than that.
Speaker 3:A saucer. You're pronouncing it wrong.
Speaker 1:When he was in school. A professor at this school mistakenly gave him the last name Horse instead of Horn during a registration and let me tell you, richard got obsessed with this.
Speaker 3:He's like I'm a horse, Bro. You just gave me a pseudonym.
Speaker 1:He's just like I'm a new synonym Horse. You just gave me a horse for a name Horse. At the age of 13, he developed a love for cricket a little sticky wicked up cricket and he even won a school art prize while he was at school.
Speaker 3:I don't know why I thought there was a segue there, but there Nope.
Speaker 1:No segues here Speaking of horses.
Speaker 3:He played cricket.
Speaker 1:He played cricket. Yeah, speaking of polo.
Speaker 3:That's polo.
Speaker 1:Which is sport with horse, god, which is not cricket? No, but it's close, it's horse In boarding school. While cricket? No, but it's close, it's horse in boarding school. Um, while while in this boarding school, uh, he was apparently a very interesting boy. Uh, to quote him, that was the making of me, for all the wrong reasons. He noted that he, he noted this in an interview while talking about how he would go, uh, forging school passes for kids, nice, he would hide Forging school passes For kids. He would hide things under the school floorboards and he would do Other rebellious acts Because it was fun to do. He was basically having a fucking Goonies moment, I feel he was Goonin.
Speaker 3:Goonin hard. We all had that rebellious stage where we thought Wearing black.
Speaker 1:Fuck you. You, I'm goth now yep somewhere in a black hoodie. Later in life, after school, when he grew up and became a man, at the age of like 19 um, he started working as a yeah.
Speaker 1:when he decided to hit the tracks running, he worked as a solicitor for court cases. During this time as a solicitor, he spent most of his time, instead of paying attention to the court cases, just doodling and drawing away. It was at this time he was getting bored of his life choices. He was like man, what the fuck do I do?
Speaker 3:I got to make a decision on what I do for my life, oh my God, this is spot on for this individual right.
Speaker 1:So at the age of 19, by a literal flip of a coin, he made the decision about what to do with his life heads he would move to london or tails in bra. He got tails in 1981 in scotland, pretending to be his own agent. He successfully landed the job working with Canongate Publishing, pretending to be his own agent.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so he. I don't think you have to pretend. Well, he applied for this place. I'm representing myself.
Speaker 1:He applied for this place originally and they denied him. So then he called up numerous times pretending to be his agent, saying this kid's gonna be a star you want?
Speaker 3:him to be in here. This is a job for you. I in here. This is a job for you, I know right, you would be great at this job. This kid's gonna be a star.
Speaker 1:And so they were finally like, oh shit, maybe this kid's got an agent, maybe we actually should hire him on Literally knows him. So he landed the job because of faking it. Fake it till you make it. If that's one thing you take away from this, then let it His artistic works back in his heyday. He started his work in the 1980s doing illustrations for magus the lollipop man, which crying baby, which apparently um this and baby, baby cat. Apparently. Magus the lollipop man was a very successful novel at the time, and so was the other book that he was working on, the Good Golf Guide to Scotland, which was actually introduced by one, sean Connery. That's insane, yeah. In 1986, he also illustrated a very successful version of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. So he was doing work. He was doing illustration work like pretty regularly.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean there's definitely a theme here Things that are wildly not real.
Speaker 1:The theme is I made it up, it didn't happen. He went on at this point to also do children's books. His most popular was the Ogopogo, my Journey with the Loch Ness Monster, and it earned him a Scottish Arts Council Book Award. Yeah, it's actually a very popular book. Apparently it sold a lot of copies.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, what do?
Speaker 4:you think it cost.
Speaker 1:In Scotland, I don't know A fucking Tree Fitty. He walked you to the edge of that one and said here you go, mike Tree Fitty, tree, fitty, yeah. God damn it, yeah that would be it.
Speaker 3:He walked you to the edge Of that one and said here you go, mike, don't get news jump. And you're like what?
Speaker 1:And I fell back. He also went. You're like oh.
Speaker 3:I don't know, maybe like 10 pound or something like I don't know what kind of money they have in Scotland, doug, I don't, even he also A A doublet, a doublet, that's Spanish.
Speaker 1:He also did a series of books called the Last, which was a series of, again, pretty successful book study created. His most infamous, or his most famous was the Last Polar Bears. Parking back. We're back.
Speaker 3:Parking back to the polar bears, but there aren't any polar bears here. There we're back.
Speaker 1:We're getting back to the polar bears, but there aren't any polar bears here. There aren't no polar bears here. This was. This is insane. This was turned into a TV film with Nigel Hawthorne as a narrator and Fucking Martin Freeman. Martin Freeman did the honors for his other book, the Last Cowboys which was featured on the show. Go ahead, nigel Thornberry. Yeah yeah, that. Go ahead, nigel Thornberry. Yeah yeah, that's Nigel Hawthorne, I forgot who Nigel Hawthorne is.
Speaker 3:Let me look it up real quick. I was so hoping you would just say Thornberry, nigel Hawthorne's an actor, sir.
Speaker 1:He's been sirred Sir.
Speaker 4:Nigel Thornberry.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, when you get sirred. Oh, he was in Demolition man, that's nice. Oh my god, I was driving this car and all of a sudden it turned into a cannoli. That might be him. No, that was, uh, sylvester sloan. Oh, okay, um, anyway, what a different movie. I've seen this.
Speaker 1:I've seen demolition man way too many times, never seen it out of uh, so, like I mentioned martin freeman, who we all know, martin freeman um also did the honors for the last cowboys, which was featured on the show jaciaconori Jr. What does that mean? I don't know, but it sounds Australian, even though it's a Scottish thing.
Speaker 3:Giaconori Jr.
Speaker 1:I believe was a children's TV show, Kind of like a Nickelodeon. Oh, okay.
Speaker 3:So there's one named Giaconori Giaconori Jr.
Speaker 1:Giacon named jackanory jackanory junior, yeah, okay. In 1990 he developed more children's books, this time based off of his dog rue um. This work led him to get a job as a political cartoonist in scotland on sunday, which was a newspaper that he spent six years at um as a political cartoonist very good political cartoons.
Speaker 1:He has a solid, fucking like career, yeah very um yeah history he even went on to do political cartoons for the independent, the guardian, and uh, that says tykes I don't think that's right um the times it's times and times and telegram for a little. Yes he wanted to do political cartoons for the toy from the movie the toy um.
Speaker 2:mom says you can have graham crackers. Dad says you can't Vote, mom.
Speaker 1:His final drawings were with the Sunday Herald in Glasgow. Glasgow, however you pronounce it.
Speaker 3:I'm not.
Speaker 1:Scottish Brilliant, but the dude had a very successful life here.
Speaker 3:This does not sound like you're about to launch into one of our normal topics.
Speaker 4:I was just not bad how is he even drawing?
Speaker 3:he's got hooves, god damn it. No, it just.
Speaker 1:It literally just sounds like you're just like describing this man's accolades and telling everyone that's listening like look at this amazing individual yeah, yeah that's the rest of the story, though, right yep, so he also has a musical side to him, which is fun oh, my god in 1987 horse helped. In 1987, Horse helped. That's the sentence I did. I typed it. In 1987, Horse helped start the eight-person bluegrass band Swap Trash.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah.
Speaker 1:Horse was on the banjo, the fiddle and lead vocals All three. I think it didn't really make it too clear, if I'm being honest.
Speaker 4:Okay, but I believe he did all three the band took on one of those guys busking right with the spoons like oh yeah and I had a segment.
Speaker 3:I'm so sorry to derail this. I had a fucking segment in middle school I will never forget this where we learned to play the washboard, the makeshift banjo and the spoons. Looking back, I'm like why? The right. But at the time I'm like, oh yeah, we're learning music. But now I look back. I'm like what weren't you born on an island? Yeah, but I also live here now back to what I was saying.
Speaker 1:Um, so, yeah, so, uh, harriet, like I mentioned, was on the banjo, the fiddle and the lead vocals, I believe. Um, the band took on this weird american persona. They called themselves the miseries from missouri. Remember? This is a bunch of scottish dudes. Um, they also blended cajun and hillbilly with bluegrass again okay, bunch of scottish dudes. Um, four members of Trash went on to form the band Shuglanifty, shuglanifty, yeah. Which is a Celtic fusion band who is actually still touring to this day and is moderately successful.
Speaker 4:Editor. Can we throw that in there right here? Shuglanifty, All right, thank you.
Speaker 1:Oh, she shugged on my nifty.
Speaker 4:Till I, till I. Misery In 1989.
Speaker 1:My last bit in 1989, while performing with his band Swamp Trash, he met a young woman named Mary Williamson, and a year later they got married.
Speaker 3:That's seriously the last thing that you're gonna leave me with before I close this shit out is the happiest day of these people's fucking lives. Yeah, absolutely. What do you mean? Well, it's only gonna get happier from here that's what.
Speaker 4:I'm confused about.
Speaker 3:It could only get happier, happier with their mouths open, way more open. Oh man, I'm guessing you're all done with your section yes, I want you to go.
Speaker 3:Um. So this all up until now. This is all sound like super successful life found someone he loved, married her, created a video game, has a musical career, has like books published, has worked in uh design. Like it's crazy. The amount of experience this fucking man has hairy horse has is insane. Um, but I am gonna jump a little forward to uh about 11 years after uh, the drowned god. Conspiracy of the ages was released.
Speaker 1:They should try better. They also can't look up, don't?
Speaker 3:look. Harry horse in the eye he might kick you and someone call foul play well, speaking of foul play whatever foul would be like birds. In 2007, who, both harry horse and his wife uh, were both found dead in their home.
Speaker 2:Womp womp how did it happen?
Speaker 3:unfortunately. Well, originally, um, simply and it's actually this is still a major theory the uh, it's speculated to be an intruder that came and killed both of them for his knowledge on various things, on the Drowned God and all the conspiracies that happened throughout the ages. A lot of people speculate that. Some people speculate that an actual alien came down to silence Harry Horse because he was giving away too much information and it would put their entire civilization at risk. Quiet equestrian bow. But no, on January 10th 2007, harry Horse's body, along with his wife, mandy, was found with, I'll say, multiple stab wounds.
Speaker 1:It was like 30 something, I think, wasn't it? Or he was going to hold on to that.
Speaker 3:Oh, I'm sorry I was gonna hold on to that for a sec, but okay, I should know better. By this I thought you were like god damn, you're playing it up, mike no, I know, I know that's, that's more my fault than anybody else's um, and so he, his body was discovered holding his wife mandy. Um, and, just like mike had said, mandy was terminally ill with multiple sclerosis. I never said that, oh, you didn't go over that.
Speaker 1:Words in my mouth. Oh, I'm sorry, I thought I covered his artistic values and his band. Ok, not his, not his wife's MS.
Speaker 3:I thought you touched on that, At the very least this guy's wife has a monkey scrotum, he's bragging about it.
Speaker 1:Wife has a monkey scrotum and he's bragging about it.
Speaker 3:What the fuck.
Speaker 4:Disclaimer MS is not a joke.
Speaker 3:Nor does it stand for monkey scrotum. We're only laughing because we're awkward. Yeah, that's honestly what we're at right now. No, I'm just laughing. I'm sorry if you have MS or know somebody who does. But I'm just laughing.
Speaker 2:Sorry if sorry His wife was diagnosed, Unless there knows somebody who does. But I'm just laughing.
Speaker 3:Sorry, if you have monkey scrotum. His wife was diagnosed with MS or multiple sclerosis, or you know, in shorthand, monkey scrotum.
Speaker 1:I can't take credit. It's a family guy joke.
Speaker 3:Oh is it. It was way in the early, early seasons, so they were both found in. See, this is it says they were found in their bungalow. I really kind of want to know the difference between like a bungalow, like a townhome or a house or like a cottage.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like what? The fuck isn't a bungalow? Just like a one, uh like a one bedroom, like no second story kind of thing. Like isn't that just a really basic house? Like a ranch studio apartment of houses are you pretty much, yeah, basically okay, I'm learning shit a ranch for our southwestern people or whatever southern listeners.
Speaker 3:um, so yeah, mandy was found being held by Harry Horse. Um, both of them apparently had been stabbed like 30 to 40 times. Also all of their pets. Apparently they had Rue that's right, rue and there was another animal.
Speaker 4:It doesn't say where, though Absolutely.
Speaker 3:So a horse had stabbed her more than 30 times this horse being murdered.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:No opposable thumbs. How does?
Speaker 2:this work.
Speaker 3:Hairy horse Stabbed her more than 30 times and then killed their pets before turning the knife on himself, and then both of them Bled to death. How?
Speaker 2:many times was he stabbed.
Speaker 3:It does not say this part doesn't hold on. Let me find the other article. I have like five I'll. If I see it in the other one that I'm about to jump to, I'll correct myself. Um, do, do, do, do, do.
Speaker 3:Apparently, an actor named Tam Dean Byrne I have no idea who the fuck that is um apparently made a radio tribute to him and said in 2000 uh, in 2009, after speaking with this is such a wild sentence after speaking with horses, female relatives that a 2008 report was a cruel distortion. Is believed that the death was a murder and not a suicide, with the witness testimonies and the door to his home was open when the bodies were found, which, yeah, it's suggestive, but I don't know. Um, all the the final conclusion after going through all the evidence, was that this was a murder, suicide, according to authorities. Um, however you want to take that, you can, but a lot, lot more conspiratorial minded individuals think that this was absolutely a murder, murder and then covered up by some institution, governmental agency or something to stop him from continuing to share the information that was in the Drowned God, because he did plan on coming out with a sequel called cult and then never got around to doing that, and before he actually could start, it was too much and then he died.
Speaker 3:Um, so that is, that's the, the, the big event that stopped anything Harry horse related from coming out? Um, musically, book wise any, uh, conspiratorial, conspiratorially, anything like that. Um, book wise any, conspiratorially, anything like that. Um, so let's talk about uh, the, uh, oh, right, right, right, I have an actual, um an account of this. Give me one sec, I gotta fucking find how did we miss the real quick?
Speaker 4:did you talk about the suicide pact part of this whole thing? Yeah, so, basically, um, the story goes that they uh, so for the 10 years where she had her ms diagnosis, um, people noticed that henry was going like like spiraling, like bad, like he was not doing well because this was the love of his life, he was his mute, she was his muse, like that. That was like his reason for living and basically, um, if this, like they were, basically said that if when she died, he had no reason to live anymore and that he would die along with her, and so that's a big, big conspiracy around this whole thing, is that they think that he I mean the whole thing is okay. Yeah, they said that they took a bunch of pills and overdosed and died, but the autopsy says much different.
Speaker 3:There was nothing in his system that would suggest an overdose, uh, not to mention they clearly died from a bunch of stab wounds, um, and uh, this leads into a bunch of other 100 and actually, uh, there's a um, there's a post on reddit that goes over this whole, like the, not only like what's released on by the authorities or like what you can find on wikipedia or something like that. It also goes over the, the alternate thought process of the whole thing and, um, it said so. One of the things in this post says on the night of january 9th 2007, harry snapped and, apparently, like they had been talking about the success of drown god and like thinking about doing another one um, and here's what. Here's what the, the snippet from one of the articles says. It says that evening, harry and mandy had their last visitors, two brothers from New Zealand, as relayed by Williamson. Harry was in a demented state roaming the house and proclaiming it's a wonderful knife. God damn it, wonderful knife. It's a wonderful night for a killing. Mandy was distressed and did not want one of the friends to leave.
Speaker 3:At 940 the next morning, january 10th, the friends came back to retrieve an item of clothing. The front door was unlocked and open, so they pushed it and inside they saw the bodies of Harry and Mandy lying close together on Mandy's bed. There was blood on the floor, windows and walls. Harry, so it proved had butchered Mandy to death with a knife. By the medical examiner's count, he had stabbed Mandy more than 30 times, fetching a second knife after breaking the first inside her. He then turned the knife on himself, crisscrossing his arms with cuts and mutilating his genitals 47 wounds in all. The death certificate's record that both died of exsanguination because he'd failed to deliver a lethal blow. Both had bled to death. As a final token of horror, he also killed their dog, a chihuahua Mandy liked to cuddle, and their cat.
Speaker 4:The fuck. It's fucking wild.
Speaker 2:What the fuck it should probably also be noted that, like even way before this happened, basically everyone that he had ever worked with had mentioned that he was prone. He was generally a really nice guy, but like was prone to just these really strange outbursts of anger that just seemed to come from nowhere.
Speaker 3:Like he just go from like zero to 100 real fucking fast on, like anybody for any reason since, since we're on the speculation part of this train, um, I will say that one of the newer conspiracy of this train, I will say that one of the newer conspiracy theories is do you guys remember that the show on Netflix Bandersnatch like the interactive Black Mirror episode?
Speaker 2:yeah, they're taking that down. However it's.
Speaker 3:A lot of people think that that whole experience was literally based off of this story and if you go through and you go through Bandersnatch, it's not too far-fetched, like you can definitely see it. It's multiple endings. I haven't gone through it. Yeah, it's, I've been through it twice I think, and it's. I can see that I would need more information about it, but it's, I think that's a cool connection that fucking bandersnatch literally took this very niche like story and made something of it and made a whole interactive web series about it. Does it suck that none of the original members that were like this was based off were credited? Absolutely. Does it suck that this story was not shared? Absolutely. Does it suck that this tragedy was not shared with everybody also?
Speaker 2:yes, I've gone through it and I kind of see that there's like a lead developer on the game that is like kind of crazy and does weird shit. Yep I mean it is, it would have to be very loosely based on this loosely based yes.
Speaker 3:But like after I read that I was like actually, yeah, I can, I can kind of see that.
Speaker 4:I think the thing in this whole thing that fucks me up is if they, if he had 30 plus stab wounds to himself, how is consciously doing that?
Speaker 3:that was like they're small. None of them were lethal.
Speaker 1:It said 47 in all is that?
Speaker 3:just him him. Total on him it was her.
Speaker 1:Her was over 30, himself was over 47 you know the thing about this that is weird to me a hell of a drug. That's weird to me about all this is a fucking horse. You know there's no we're definitely
Speaker 3:are you telling me a horse stabbed. These people like.
Speaker 4:I would fuck wild like yeah, it's a really, it's a really bizarre story, and we don't typically cover like, uh, you know that kind of shit, but we like to avoid the real shit. Yeah, we do, and we also it is sad we're not true crimers feels like a derogatory sentence, but, um, but no, it's, it's uh, the the fact that the game is so bizarre and, like the, the story leading up to it's so bizarre, or like, I guess, not leading up, but leading after. Post pleasant beginning. Yeah, um, it's just all weird. I thought it was a nice little deviance from what we normally talk about. Um, and hopefully, maybe potentially we'll have some gameplay up on our youtube. Um, it might be out of order, though, because we're probably not going to replay the beginning. Um, we'll, we'll animate it on stick figures.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we'll, we'll recap, although I hear the last half is like way weirder.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, that's all weird. I think that the first what we went through was pretty fucking normal and tame compared to the rest of the game, I think yeah, I've seen a good handful of the gameplay and I was like I didn't see any of that shit. So, um, yeah, I also refuse to do the fucking new Einstein.
Speaker 4:No, I would kill myself before I do that again.
Speaker 3:Fucking Christ.
Speaker 1:Well, saddle up because we're playing it again. God damn it.
Speaker 4:Saddle up bitches At some point.
Speaker 1:Honestly, I don't really have much else to add to this other than, like Doug said we don't really Alright real or fake.
Speaker 3:Actually, that's a good question. Do we think that Harry Horst based his game off of a real set of knowledge that he either found, discovered or was given? Or do we think the document he used to base all of this stuff off of was forged and fake?
Speaker 1:That's the thing. I forgot to write it down in my bit, but I'll mention it real quick as well. I forget the details specifically, but he created this, this like book. It was a manuscript.
Speaker 3:It's a forged manuscript. It was in 1983. He forged. A man forged this. What this article says is forged. He says that he found it, says he forged a manuscript based on writings by 19th century poet Richard Henry Horn, who he'd be related to, which is his name.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I think he's just a good author. I mean, he has the background.
Speaker 2:It was supposed to be a joke was initially or a hoax, Like he wrote this thing and then tried to pass it off as like a legit thing that he found and then eventually he admitted that it was fake.
Speaker 1:he was like yeah, I made this up yeah, I don't think it's based off of any wild conspiracy. I think he just he's just a good storyteller was a good storyteller.
Speaker 4:I mean he's basing them off of real conspiracies that are like obviously the conspiracies themselves are not real or could be real, but like also if you look at that game if you look at that fucking game, none of it really makes any sense.
Speaker 1:There is a point where you, when you were playing, you literally teleported through Stonehenge to some weird castle you rode a river, you rode a river up to some guy who was like an old, like, who killed you like five times.
Speaker 1:It was like a holy grail king arthur dude who wanted to play chess, but it was fire chess, and then you were in fucking like da vinci's lair with a robot like it. I think it was just a bunch of weird shit just thrown together because, at I mean, there was the, it was the mid 90s. That's just how games fucking were. Games were just throwing shit at the fan and seeing what sticks not far off honestly, this is the cooler version of history oh yeah, I prefer real yeah
Speaker 3:real history is a little boring right, dude, real life is boring like this shit's way bigger, give me fucking magic and shit, give me give me jizz wizards, give me back give me your money at patreoncom slash diluty pod or at dilutycom.
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Speaker 2:Oh fuck.
Speaker 3:Straight up. Forgot about that.
Speaker 4:Can't believe you guys fucking lost that I'll just come down and beat your ass.
Speaker 3:Watch, we're gonna find it literally after we hang up.
Speaker 1:Anyway, I'm gonna go ahead and say if you're a horse, you probably shouldn't kill people. Jason, what do you got to say? I don't know, man stay paranoid, as always about a man who's coming to find you, named joe blob. Be aware of this. Mayor, matt, what do you got to say?
Speaker 2:if you're not a horse, maybe you should kill people have you tried?
Speaker 4:hug d, what do you have? Slap your hairy horse against your monkey scrotum there it is if you want the whole episode in one sentence.
Speaker 1:There you go thank you for tuning in. Everybody have a blessed day. May the horse be with you, bye, bye.
