Don't Look Under the Internet
Don't Look Under the Internet
DLUTI 194 - More Lost Media (DLUTI Lost and Found)
Sometimes things go missing, and sometimes they turn up again. We cover both on this week's edition of DLUTI Lost and Found.
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Speaker 3:watch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we've been yeah hell yeah, hi everyone, yeah, we've been.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we are Sick. Hello everybody, welcome to this. This is the podcast. It's Don't Look Under the Internet. You've seen us, you love us. You've heard about us. Maybe your mom has, I don't fucking know. But I'm Mike.
Speaker 2:Mike and that's matt I'm a blind box of anxiety and self-loathing and that's doug you never know what emotion you'll get today.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and uh, jason's not here today. He's off buying 40 000 labubus to sell on xstockcom or something, stockx, whatever that site's called uh, yeah yeah, yeah, um, but yeah, we have some interesting shit for you today. Um, first and foremost, gonna skip over housekeeping. Don't really have any housekeeping. We don't have any new subs rude, uh yeah kind of rude. What are Come on?
Speaker 2:now I saw somebody bought merch yesterday.
Speaker 1:Oh shit they bought merch, I think his name was Mike Andrews, yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm currently testing out. Be on the lookout. I guess I'll say keep a lookout on our shop on Dulycom in the next coming weeks. Here I've been testing some new merch. I've also adjusted some pricing because, you know, in this economy, you know, shit hits everybody. So our prices have never been lower. Come on down to Big Al's Toy Barn.
Speaker 1:It's almost like we're not making anything off of this anymore.
Speaker 3:So, literally, at this point, we are unfortunately not really making anything. I made it to be as cheap as possible right now, just so we could get some merch going off of this anymore. So, literally, at this point, we are unfortunately not really making anything. I I made it to be as cheap as possible right now, just so we can get some merch going, because, at the end of the day, I just want people to wear our shit. If we don't make money off it, it'd be what to do? I just want people to have my logo on their body somewhere. That'd be cool.
Speaker 2:Um so, I'm glad you did it with the new store, because with our old merch store you could make it go negative and every time somebody would order something on the old star it would charge my credit card. So you could have really fucked me. I had to pay like the shipping and processing costs and then I would get it back later when it, when our payout would come. Oh god, you could have with the old store. If somebody had gone in and bought like $2,000 worth of t-shirts and we had priced them at the wrong margin, I could have lost a lot of money.
Speaker 3:You, I would have had to sell the house. So go to dilutycom, get some merch and then be on the lookout for new merch. It's on there. That's the housekeeping. So, happy pride, everybody. There is some. Yeah, happy pride. I made our shit cheaper. Happy pride.
Speaker 1:Mike's like anyways.
Speaker 3:So I, a while ago, if you guys recall, we did have some different merch on our site and that merch is gone. It's all gone. It's almost like it's Lost and it's never to be seen again, kind of like the topic of today's episode. Right, boys, we're talking about lost media today.
Speaker 1:Um mike, I like your unabomber chic. You, you've taken on the the role of unabomber ironically I did.
Speaker 3:Uh, I was able to just now send your package out today, so doug I you open a mysterious package from me.
Speaker 2:I literally thought about wearing my black dad hat right as we were about to record and I was like nah, last time I did, doug called me a Unabomber.
Speaker 1:I'm sure you have a black dad. That's cool. It's inclusive as fuck.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, my first dad died, so I got my government-issued black dad as a replacement.
Speaker 1:No, we haven't even said, we haven't even done anything today. I haven't even started. Good God, what is?
Speaker 3:Okay, we're doing Lost Media.
Speaker 1:Alright, we're doing Lost Media today.
Speaker 3:Everyone, this is a good time. I had us. I had the boys find some more Lost Media and we're going to talk about it today. We have some fun ones, I think. And who wants to fucking go first? Um, I can knock it out. Uh, doug, do you want to go first? Matt, who?
Speaker 1:yeah, that's fine, I can go first. Mine's uh, mine's pretty chill, you know, um. So I've been going through, personally, a very large nostalgia kick. I guess I would call it of watching just old shit from my childhood and not to get off topic, but the Pee Wee Herman documentary just came out and it's fucking really good and I recommend everybody watch it, if you can. Anyways, been watching a bunch of like nostalgic shit and this is like the perfect lost found media that I found.
Speaker 2:Now, uh, most of us 90s babies and I say most of us media p we got arrested for, because I don't think we can talk about that it tells you exactly what movie it was and all that.
Speaker 1:It's great, um, but no, uh, so this is crybaby lane. This was a 2000s nickelodeon television horror film, um, that basically gained notoriety as a piece of lost media due to its like pretty much like straight disappearance after its initial broadcast. Um, so this premiered in, so it actually broadcasted like on on air, like it went live yeah, so this was the, this was uh so kind of similar in the vein of like how uh, like the disney channel would do like their own movies, you know um and comms.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sure, uh, nickelodeon basically would do their own things too. And so, in october of 20, or october 28, 2000, um, during their snick halloween special, uh, a 70 minute film um aired, called crybaby lane, and the film follows two brothers who are basically enjoying listening to ghost stories from a local undertaker, and one of the tales that they listen to involves conjoined twins, one good and one evil, who end up dying from a liver disease and basically the farmer's father saws them apart post-mortem, burying the good twin in a cemetery and the evil twin um near like a dirt road called crybaby lane, and basically the two brothers attempt to contact the good twin during a seance but inadvertently awaken the evil twin, and that's what the movie's about. So, yeah, so, basically, after its initial airing, um, it was never rebroadcast or released on home media or anything like that, and uh, this like absence led to a lot of speculation online that the film was banned due to its, like incredibly disturbing content. And then there were like, uh, reports of like parental complaints and, um, later on, nickelodeon was just like, oh, the film had simply just been forgotten, like you know, like it's just we don't know where it is.
Speaker 1:And then, in august of 2011. So like a full fucking 11 years later, uh, a reddit user uploads a vhs recording of the original broadcast, uh, sparking this renewed interest, and actually ends up leading to teen nick re-airing the film on october 31st of 2011. So that's kind of how it disappeared and reappeared, um, but during its disappearance, everybody was like describing it as like this, just like horrifically gory, like movie, and that it was like way scarier than like you know, something that should be airing on nickelodeon should be, and that there was just like this big craze about like how, how crazy it was and there actually even spawned a whole creepypasta that was made fully because of this movie, um, which you can just, if you just google Crybaby Lane creepypasta, it'll pop up. Basically, in a nutshell, it's just a guy being like hey, I worked on this film. What you saw online was way different than the final cut. The guy who has the final cut is a fucking creep and blah, blah, blah and it goes into a bunch of stuff like that. A guy that has all this crazy old, gory Nickelodeon-cut episodes of Spongebob and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:It's a fun read, it's fine. Have you actually read? It's a fun read, it's it's fine. I want to tie in. Have you actually read it?
Speaker 3:uh, yeah, I read it earlier. Does it tie into the like squidward suicide? Uh, it doesn't really go it.
Speaker 1:It. It kind of alludes to something like that, but it doesn't go over that. Um, it just says like, oh, this guy I should have had it up. But basically it's just a guy being like yeah, like I saw that, like the, the original cut, it's like fucked up. Um, but a lot of people, basically because of that creepy pasta, we're like hey, you know this, this, we need to find this media and like, you know, this is crazy, like we need, this is some real lost media here. Uh, and then finally, when it was re-uploaded, everyone was like wow, uh, this is like pretty corny, not very frightening at all. Um, kind of just feels like a really long episode of like are you afraid of the dark?
Speaker 3:that's the vibe I was kind of getting from it too, when you were describing it yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker 1:It's kind of funny because, like, I feel like it almost had a better legacy when it wasn't found, um, and it was actually truly never lost, to be fair, because nickelodeon clearly had it like ready to go, like after somebody uploaded it online. So I don't know, I thought it was interesting. It was pretty, uh, pretty random yeah but I actually did watch.
Speaker 1:Be on youtube now yeah, you can find it all on youtube. I actually watched it. Um, it's fine. It literally just feels like a are you afraid of the dark episode just longer. But yeah, that was my, that was my lost, lost, found media. That's kind of lost found, lost, found I.
Speaker 3:So and I wonder if, uh, nickelodeon did decide not to like. I know that they aired it once, but they decided to keep it off like after that because, uh, like the 2000s, I feel like Nickelodeon was kind of doing pretty good when it came to like movies, because they had, like Snow Day, they had the Rugrats movie, like the Wild Thornberry movies all those went to theaters. So I bet they're like do we really want to try doing horror? I don't know if that's a good idea.
Speaker 1:Um, my, my thought is that it probably did poor numbers because they aired it on fucking like a couple days before halloween and I mean, like I, I don't know, I it just depends, like it, you know shit. I was all of like nine years old in 2000, so like I probably wasn't staying up that late either to watch that stuff if I was. So October 28th 2000, oh no, I mean like for the towers did it say like what time?
Speaker 1:because you said late oh, I just assumed I I don't know, I could probably find it though because we're talking SNCC.
Speaker 3:I mean, I feel like that shit would probably be like 9 o'clock, you know, 9 or 10.
Speaker 2:8 pm to 10 pm.
Speaker 1:Yep, I just pulled it up too, yep.
Speaker 3:That's kind of cool, though, and they found it again, which I like, but also fuck you, nick. You just had this sitting in a cellar and you weren't doing anything with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they just see all these people online talking about it but they're like, nah, we'll just kind of keep it in our back pocket. I wonder what that was about. What was that about? What that is.
Speaker 2:They probably just cut a bunch of stuff from it when they re-released it, that's probably what happened.
Speaker 3:The original was way worse, I don't know, but I I remember things way differently from what that, what they are. Now you know what I mean. So like people might be, like oh, so gory and everything, but, like doug said, you were probably like what?
Speaker 2:like seven, eight, nine right but they probably watched it so I saw signs on a plane when I was like 10 years old and I remember being fucking horrified. Yeah, and science isn't even that scary. I mean mean, it's kind of like.
Speaker 1:There's that one real good scene, but yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like the birthday party scene. I remember that, just being horrifying to me.
Speaker 3:Spooky.
Speaker 2:Not anymore.
Speaker 3:Now it's just a movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Now, it's just a movie.
Speaker 2:Now, it's just kind of silly.
Speaker 3:Matt, what do you? Got me boyo.
Speaker 2:I had an idea before I go over my stuff we should make this a mini series and just call it diluted, lost and found oh, that's fun. Yeah, we should do that we'll workshop that later lost and found. So my lost, madidia. I got a lost and a found. My lost is Jojo. I got a lost and a found. Um, my lost is Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Phantom Blood. So if you know anything about Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, uh.
Speaker 2:I don't Let me pull it up the. So the anime that we know now was a series that started in 2012, but um, jojo's bizarre adventure, phantom blood. Like phantom blood, is the first section of the manga, and the manga is pretty old. So before the 2012 series that we know now, there was a movie that was released in 2007, and it was only released in Japanese theaters, and so this movie was called JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, phantom Blood, and apparently this existed maybe as early as 2004, because some of the only footage we actually have from this film now was released as a teaser alongside the jojo's ps2 game, so sony basically used this movie as like promotional content for the ps2 game, and then it got a theatrical release in 2007 and the studio that made this movie lost the rights to Jojo, so after the theatrical release was done, it never came out on DVD or anything like that, so there was never actually a copy of this movie released to the public.
Speaker 3:Unless you had a bootlegger in the theater Right exactly.
Speaker 2:And I guess apparently nobody did record it Dang, and to this day we have no copies of it. Um, the first 16 minutes of the movie was released as a uh, the first 16 minutes without the dialogue, so with all the dialogue cut out, but just the score was released to a university as educational material for a course in a japanese university. So we have like the first 16 minutes of just footage. But the only actual footage we have, like unmodified footage we have of the film is that teaser that came out alongside the ps2 game and it's like a minute and a half long. You can find it on youtube, um, but some attempts from the ova.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so okay, uh, the. You have to be specific, so you have to put in jojo's bizarre adventure phantom blood 2007. Um, and I don't even think there's like a wikipedia page about this. The only thing you'll find is the from the lost media wiki, and the lost media wiki article is titled jojo's bizarre adventure phantom blood, partially found anime film based on manga 2007. Um, so this was like a full-ass feature-length movie 91 minutes. That is just completely lost to time.
Speaker 2:Attempts have been made to like try to contact people involved with the film and see if we can get it released. We don't even know if there is a copy of this movie that still exists in anyone's hands, as far as I can tell. Um, so a guy named uh junichi hayama, who is an anime artist who's worked in the industry for like 30 plus years and has worked on several different things, like yugioh and a couple other high-profile movies. He was the character designer and chief animator on this movie, and somebody asked him in an interview in 2022 if uh like why the movie had never been released to the public, and all he said was I don't want you to see angry, see me angry and pissed off, so it's better that I don't answer this question, so wait, was that from iraqi huh, the creator of jojos, or no, that was from junichi hayama, who was the he?
Speaker 2:He's just an animator, he's an anime artist. He was the chief character designer on the movie. So the interviewer asked In 2007, a movie adapting the Phantom Blood part of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure was released in Japanese theaters. This movie has never seen any release outside of its theater distribution. You worked on it as a character designer and animation director. Is any reason why this movie had never, never had any home video release? And all I said was, like I said, I don't want you to see me angry and pissed off, so it's better that I don't answer this question, which leads to the idea that maybe there was like some sort of internal politics with the company or something that resulted in this not getting released, or maybe, um, the people who own the rights to jojo's now don't want it released and are actively like trying to keep it from being released for some reason.
Speaker 3:I'm not real sure it's got to be something like that, because it can't be like they don't have a copy or something, because if it had a theatrical release, that means there's film reels out there you would think that theaters you know, yeah, it so it has to be something it looks like a lot of the rumors are that uh, iraqi, the guy who created uh jojo's uh did not like the way that.
Speaker 1:Uh, what was it? Jppppp or whatever. Yeah, jppp, the studio did it. Appp, yeah, appp. All right Either way, he didn't like it, but there's no actual definitive statement from him confirming this. It's just rumors. It looks like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as far as I can tell, everybody that's actually involved with this or has been involved with JoJo's since is very quiet about it and I wonder if there's like NDA shit that went into it as well. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I love JoJo's and I need to see this.
Speaker 2:I mean the minute and a half teaser. Like I said, you can find it on YouTube. It doesn't look bad. I mean, the animation is pretty good. It's kind of got like an older, grittier style to it than the newer anime does. Um, yeah, I'd be interested in this getting released someday. I don't know what that would take or, like I said, if there's actually any, a copy of it out there. You would think, if there is a copy of it out there somewhere sitting in an office or something that somebody it's like somebody would have taken one for the team, you know yeah right, I have a weird feeling that you're probably going to see it released in 2027, because didn't you say it came out in 2007?
Speaker 3:yeah yeah, something's gonna happen where it's like 20th anniversary. This lost footage was found and it's coming out an unlimited release and they'll sell a fuckload of copies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I don't know, the film itself was a celebration of the 25th anniversary of something. I think it may have been the creator's beginning of his career or something like that. So yeah, I don't know. Or maybe it is just like a plot to just drum up hype and get people talking about it, which it's not working very well, because I would have thought I would have heard of this. I hadn't heard of it, and I mean, I guess this is a pretty big thing within, like the lost media community, which is not something I know much about yeah, well, I don't think that was the original intent.
Speaker 3:I bet I'm. I would not be surprised if it was like you said originally, where it was like sorry, my hat's all fucked up. I wouldn't be surprised if it was like you said originally, whereas, like since they lost the licensing fees, like they just couldn't get a distributor and like it just became too costly, at that point they're just like, yeah, we're not going to make our money back, don't even yeah, I'm pretty sure they lost the rights to the franchise like literally a month or two after the it stopped showing in theaters, which is probably why it never got around to being released in any, and I bet, I bet, like whoever picked up the the rights doesn't have rights to like that film specifically because it was made under a different company or something.
Speaker 3:I bet there's probably a whole legal mumble jumbo that's going into it, but I I bet those japanese lawyers, man, they're fucking ruthless.
Speaker 1:So joker nintendo typically too, is like a really weird ip, so like, uh, I guess the way to think about it too here is that, like I have, I have a dvd, a japanese dvd of of the OVA of the original series from 1994. Like, it's old as piss. And then they did a bunch of stuff throughout the years and it's taken them like a lot of the actual manga that has been out, like, for example, the newest one that's going to come out is called Steel Ball Run. They did a bunch of like. Jojo's did a bunch of stuff with netflix and then netflix just lost the ip. So now they're doing it with a new, a new company, like again like, and the they're about to do steel ball run, which came out in like 2000. Like they're like way behind on like animation to manga and it's like. It's a very, very weird situation and jojo's fans are well, myself included, are very patient, apparently because that shit is wild.
Speaker 3:That's why I'm wondering if I mean it'd be cool if they they released it, but I'm wondering if they're just like, yeah, a, we don't have time. B uh, it'd be a headache to get this thing distributed because we have too much shit already to worry about. And see, I mean, I'm not, I know nothing about jojo. I don't know how big it is, but and you might be able to attest to this but is jojo even like that big of an anime?
Speaker 2:like, is it? I think it's pretty big among anime nerds, but I don't think it's like it's exactly.
Speaker 3:Are they weighing the options we're like is it, are we?
Speaker 1:it's definitely underrated. I feel like.
Speaker 3:I bet they're like is it even worth putting time and money into getting this distributed when it's not going to make our money back? There's probably a money, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think it's a big enough series that it would probably be worth it.
Speaker 1:I think it would be worth it for sure, and I think I tend to lean towards the fact that I think it's a big enough series that it would probably be worth it. I think it would be worth it for sure, and I think I tend to lean towards the fact that I think Iraqi just didn't like what was made. To be honest, because if you ever read any articles about this guy, he is like literally in love with his characters. If he likes a character like enough, like he's going to put all of his time and effort into making that character also loved by the people who are watching it and like I feel, like I feel like he would be the one to be like nah, this shit sucks, I hate it, get it out of here.
Speaker 3:like yeah, but at what point do they have the authority to do that? Because at what point is it? The company has more power than the creator. I mean, look at dragon ball. Uh, toriyama had almost no take in GT and GT still got made. He had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1:I think that's why it takes so long for these to come out, because Araki has the final say on everything.
Speaker 2:I can't weigh in on the complexities of how the JoJo's IP is controlled. To be fair, I don't know. I'm also not thinking about it.
Speaker 3:I don't know, and you know I'm I'm also not thinking about it, I'm also a little wrong, because I forgot that. That's how studio Ghibli works is like once that creator dies, no one, no one, makes characters or like does any like story over a Ghibli except that guy? So once he's gone, like they're like what the fuck do we do? We got to move on, guy.
Speaker 2:So once he's gone, like they're like what the fuck do we do?
Speaker 1:we gotta move on because we're gonna get some angry weaves in the fucking comments I know.
Speaker 2:Right, that's fair. All right, my found media is the original pilot of the first episode of family guy. So this is something that was actually found a couple months ago, um, and until then was somewhat lost. So, um, there is a pilot episode of family guy that you could could always find, um, which is like the first episode where peter swears he's not gonna get drunk and then he gets drunk and um, but this pilot is like the pilot that seth mcFarlane made that he like showed to the studios and stuff or showed to Fox to like actually get Family Guy made.
Speaker 2:And so, prior to a couple months ago, I think, only like seven minutes of this was available and it was released in volume two of the Family Guy DVD set in 2003. And then there were bits and pieces of it that were released in an interview with Seth MacFarlane in 1999. But the entire 16 minute long thing hadn't ever been seen by anybody who didn't work on it or work at the studio, until a couple of months ago, when somebody was just digging around on the internet and discovered the personal website of a man named Robert Paulson who was an animator who worked on drawing the frames for the pilot, and he has a personal website where he just like shows off things that he's worked on and in his portfolio on his website. The whole thing is just there, like the whole 16 minutes of the pilot.
Speaker 3:So it wasn't even that it was lost, we just weren't looking in the right spot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's funny though, yeah, if you go to robertolsoncom and go to motion graphics and animation and then, scroll down to the middle of the page there's this little old school looking cartoon thing and yeah, it's just the full fucking 16 minutes of the first episode of Family Guy it's a little bit different. Like the animation is a little bit different. The voices are super fucking weird. Chris's voice is real weird, is it just fucking?
Speaker 1:Patrick Marlin doing all of them. Yeah, it sounds like.
Speaker 2:Brian, but high is what Chris sounds like.
Speaker 3:A lot of pilots like that. The American Dad pilot was like that too. Everyone sounded weird and looked different. It was very strange. It also um this bless you Douglas. This also reminded me that this one reminded me of. Um, there was, uh, it wasn't lost media per se, but um, there was this whole investigation with Futurama, where, um, oh, they changed the line before the guy gets in the tube.
Speaker 2:What, oh? So there's this theory that in the first episode of Futurama, I think, the guy walks up to the first time you see the transport tubes that you get sucked into the first guy that walks up to it, before Fry walks up to it, says something like JFK Regional Airport or something like that. I forget exactly what the line is, and then he gets sucked into the tube. But they changed it from the pilot episode to the episode that aired. I thought that's what you were talking about.
Speaker 3:No, so something that people were theorizing about. So in the show I mean this can't be spoilers, the show's old as piss. But in the show Fry, at one point in season one goes back in time to before he gets kicked into the freezing chamber and he discovers that Nibbler is the one that pushes him. When he's leaning back in the chair you discover that Nibbler pushes him and that's the reason that fry gets into the time chamber or into the freezing chamber yeah, the shadow so there.
Speaker 3:So nibbler's shadow can be seen in that. And people are like, huh, I wonder if you can see nibbler's shadow in the pilot, yeah, and of of it. And when you watch the pilot on like comedy central or netflix or wherever, um, you can see, it's there. But I believe the creators were like, oh yeah, we went back and digitally added that shadow.
Speaker 2:It wasn't there to begin with no, they proved that that's not the case exactly.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so they're like well, wait a minute. So they're like is this true? So someone found, like you were saying, they found like a test pilot that they would use to like um see who would take the rights like mail to the studios exactly.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they found the shadow in these like vhs tapes that they would mail to the studios and they saw the shadow was there, meaning that that whole plot line has been thoroughly thought through this entire time. But for the longest time people were like was it digitally added, was it not? We got to get to the bottom of this um, and that kind of reminded me of your family guy one. That's very funny, um, but I I love that stuff, um with like lost media where it's like, did this happen? We got to go back and find it.
Speaker 1:Yada, yada, yada yeah, it's pretty cool. I've actually been watching more lost media like videos on youtube lately, um, before we even decided we were going to do this episode. Shit's wild. You get some really weird lost media stuff, just really really random shit that doesn't really have any significance to my life, but I'm like that's cool.
Speaker 3:I found out that a lot of the first seasons of Doctor who from the 60s, a lot of the episodes are just dude. Didn't know that they're just found in a.
Speaker 1:There was a bunch found in the uh, the basement of a mormon church. Yeah, I almost went with that story for this episode. I was like that's interesting finally a use for mormons.
Speaker 3:Sorry, any mormon listeners the line.
Speaker 2:Oh no, they gave up a long time ago probably. The line that I was talking about was um. Before the guy gets sucked into the tube and the episode that actually aired on tv, he says says Radio City, mutant Hall, and then in the pilot he says JFK Jr Airport. But they changed the name because John F Kennedy Jr died right before it came out, so they redubbed it.
Speaker 1:Oh, interesting, so they changed it to RFK Airport.
Speaker 3:RFK Jr Airport. What Take me to the?
Speaker 1:raw milk factory for it, oh God.
Speaker 3:Take me to the raw milk factory, all right? Well, I got mine here, boys, so I have. I'm going to talk about Heartman today and, matt, if you want to throw up some imagery, if you just go to Google and type in Heartman Lost Media, heartman Lost Media, you'll get the images. If you just type in Heartman, you won't get them. Man lost media heart man lost media, you'll get the images. If you just type in heart man, you won't get them. But, um, basically, heart man is a series of images that were found online that had no real explanation for where they came from.
Speaker 3:Um, these images that were found online depicted a man in a heart suit, um, and it's like, it's kind of like just like a black zoot suit, and then with a bunch of like what look like foam hearts, just like all over the heads, one big heart. He's got like antennas coming off that are just like a bunch of hearts all down, like the sleeves and his legs is just a heart, heart, heart, heart, heart. So it's not just like, it's not a suit. That's one big heart, it's a bunch of small ones all over. But these, these like Polaroid shots, um showed this man with this heart suit out like eating with friends. He's out dancing in the city, he's reading newspapers, just kind of doing stuff around the town, um, but the mystery is who the fuck is heart man and where do these photos come from? So a lot of people that got into heart man here, um, figured the easiest way to go about this is to reverse image search on google to see if they could find the earliest upload of these pictures, and they found a tumblr account called dog pile, who is an archivist who runs a fashion-based web archive. They basically scan a bunch of scans and pages from fashion magazines all the way back from the early 60s to the early 2000s, so this guy's got a huge catalog of just fashion magazine and articles. Here is where we found a Heartman post on February 8th 2019. So far, 2019 is the first time these Heartman images came to the internet. In the description on the Tumblr post you find a link to a site called Mother Culture. This site is shut down now. You can't really access it, but there are archived pages of the site that show it was an online art gallery with scans from Dogpile. So Dogpile apparently worked with this Mother Culture site.
Speaker 3:Now is this the source of heart man, do you think, uh, people were like, oh, so it was just a fashion statement thing, um, but no, you, you, you don't think so, because dog pile scans magazine, uh, magazines and articles. He doesn't actually like make them himself. So nothing from this mother culture art like gallery, nothing from this is like original. It's all like, uh, older scans that are uploaded to this mother culture site. So heart man wasn't made for this website, for this art gallery. It was just uploaded there. So heart man is somewhere in a magazine. They've been able to deduce that, considering this website and this archivist just upload shit from fashion magazines. So they're like alright, these pictures came from some form of magazine. We have no fucking idea which one.
Speaker 3:People reached out to dog pile and dog pile basically said that the series of photos from Tumblr, including heart man, so his entire Tumblr account um, they were intended to be uncredited and confusing. That was part of his like concept that he wanted to put up there Just random fashion article and images uploads. Um, he never, um, put like a source up. He never puts up like a photographer names, uh, article names, nothing, it's just the image. And dog piles like, yeah, sorry, I can't help you. The whole point was be weird and confusing. So I have no reference point of where these came from. So people were like, alright, fuck it, let's look at the photos themselves and check for details.
Speaker 3:So they were able to deduce by the printing patterns of these images in the magazine and the colors that were used that these stills were taken from a VHS tape. So these are stills from a VHS movie, essentially stills from a VHS movie. Essentially. They used image dating and they also explored the images even more to figure out that the pictures were taken in a timeline of roughly about 20 years, somewhere between the 1970s and the 1990s, which is still a very vague timeframe. So that's not very helpful. But they were like, hey, shit's being done on a VHS tape. This is a time frame when VHS tapes were very popular in media, so let's go from there. They checked the vehicles that were in the background of some of these pictures. They found out that one of the vehicles was manufactured in 1979. So that gives us, instead of a time frame of the early 70s or just the 70s in general. Now we know One of these vehicles was manufactured in 1979. So this gives us a rough year to work off of.
Speaker 3:Next, they looked at some of the locations, some of the buildings had text and banners on them. When were these from and where? That's what they wanted to figure out. They traced one of the buildings to being a theater in genza, tokyo, um. The theater had a billboard on the side of it for that had a date, um, for a performance. It didn't say what the performance was. It was blocked out. It's a little blurry, but you could read the date. It said august 1st. So they asked the theater for um if they had any records of any shows that were going on on August 1st, um. They got four dates, but these four dates were still kind of all over the place. They were from like um 1979 and like 1985 and like 1992. And so they were still in that like 20 year gap. So it wasn't all that helpful.
Speaker 3:They were looking at A lot of these people that are involved in this Hartman. I guess mystery started. Looking at more banners, they found one in the distance that read the word B-E-T-E, which is apparently part of a phrase from a performance that was at that theater in 1982, in August. So because of this one little phrase we found the year that the photos of the Hartman was taken 1982. So we were able to get it down just like that Bam. So after all this sleuthing, two more brand new heartman images popped up. These images linked to a flickr account called 35 millimeter film photographers. This, uh, these images were from 2006. Now here's the weird thing, the these new images that they found. Here's the weird thing, these new images that they found. The costume looked entirely different. It was way more up-to-date. It looked like Instead of looking like foam hearts, they looked more like kind of like a crushed velvet kind of look to them. They looked like you know those cheap plushes you get from a shitty crane machine that has that weird crushed velvet feel to them.
Speaker 2:This wasn't even its final form.
Speaker 3:So here's the thing. So yeah, so it ends Jojo's character if I've ever seen one right.
Speaker 3:instead of being like a black zoot suit with all these foam foam hearts on him, like the head was one big, like fuzzy, like plush looking thing. The whole thing was like one giant pink suit and like it still had those like multiple hearts going on it, but they were just more up-to-date looking and people were like, oh shit, what is this? This has to be the same guy, right? There's no way that there could be two heart men out there. It can't be a coincidence like that, especially because I found out that the new heart man images, the new guy in the heart man suit, was 20 minutes away from the old heart man photos were taken, so we got some shit going on here got some shit going on we got some shit going on here.
Speaker 3:They're able to find a video of the new heart man performing at a japanese art contest and he was like doing songs. Um, they found his page. They found they found a blog page where we find out this heart man's name is I love Yuta. When looking deeper into his blog, you find out that he's basically basically like this mascot character for like love. Like he does a bunch of like children's songs about how you should like love each other. He talks about like the environment, how we should take care of it, things like that.
Speaker 3:There's a video, like an interview video. It's like six minutes long or so. It's basically just like what do you do? What were your inspirations for the costume? He lists off his inspirations as just being, you know, love. The heart is a symbol for love. We're going to go off of that. But he does not mention the old heart man. Not once is the old heart man mentioned as an inspiration or is he ever referenced here. So, oddly enough, this was a dead end as well. New heart man has nothing to do with old Hartman, even though the locations were 20 minutes apart from each other. And, matt, if you want, it's up to you. If you want to look into my note here I have a bunch of pictures of Hartman. The last one is a comparison of the two Hartmans, so you can see the old costume and the new costume. That's completely up to you.
Speaker 2:I need somebody to get on this for me because, okay, so while I was google imaging heartman, I found that there was like heartman fan art. It's like, well, that makes sense, right? Um, yeah, so what I was doing while you were explaining, the last bit that you were explaining was, uh, checking to see if there was any heart man, rule 44 or rule 34.
Speaker 1:Oh, there isn't.
Speaker 2:I at least none, at least none that I can find. So somebody's got to get on that. I'm pretty sure that rule 35 is if you look it up and it doesn't exist, you're obligated to create it. But uh, I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don create it, but uh, yep, I'm not gonna do that. Yeah, I don't have the time for that dog, I don't got the skills yet. Someone else get on that for me. I would uh appreciate that. Uh, my dad just messaged me saying I am heart man, so that's fun. I forgot my mom was listening, which means my dad probably is too that kind of freaked me out a little bit um, I'll drop in the discord chat.
Speaker 1:I'll drop in the discord chat.
Speaker 3:I'll drop in the discord chat real quick so people can see the heart man images I'm talking about. I think I might've deleted, oh no, there it is. I'll drop in the discord chat real quick so people can see heart man at his finest Heart man, heart man. So here is the two different heart men. There you go. They're in the discord chat, but, yeah, dead end. So this new Heartman has nothing to do with the old Heartman. Here's the thing, guys. This is fucking it. There's nothing else on Heartman. This is lost media at its best. The trail just went cold. There's no other information on this Heartman. There's no other photos.
Speaker 2:Heartman 2.0 has a whole ass.
Speaker 3:Hartman guitar, I know right Like he's kind of cool. Hartar, hartar yeah, that doesn't sound like a word. We should be saying Hartar, why it just?
Speaker 1:sounds like a fish paste.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a little bit Hartar sauce. He, yeah, hartar, yeah, a little bit heartar sauce. He, uh, yeah, lost media. He's just gone. There's no other information on heartman. This is blank gone forever, unless the man in the costume comes out and is like yeah, I was fucking heartman dog, this is what it was, it's just gone. There's nothing else on this character. People think it might have just been like a mascot in this one specific town in Japan like a local business or something you think it was a local business, or you?
Speaker 2:think it was just this dude was.
Speaker 3:This is just what this guy did that's the theory is like is this just a guy that did that? Like? In my town I have the local guy that looks like einstein, that just walks around just looking like einstein, he plays froth and people call him. You know, they call him the local Einstein. It's funny.
Speaker 1:Maybe that's a shit it just immediately says it's a fashion show, that guy that's one of the.
Speaker 3:That's what they think. Because of dog piles uploads, because dog pile that's what I'm saying. Magazine, you know, I'm saying yeah, I mean yeah, no one has any other info on him, though is what I'm saying. The theory is that it's just a fashion statement thing, or that he's just a local mascot, but there's no for-sure proof, because they can't find any Wild shit. Good, good, good, fuck you, hartman.
Speaker 1:All right, well, I got one last little one. It's very short.
Speaker 2:When I did Google Hartman Rule 34, I mostly got Dr Hartman from Family Guy, which is an interesting crossover.
Speaker 3:Before you start, doug, I have one small thing I just want to mention. I've done no research on it, I just think it's very fascinating. We all know about how Chris Farley was supposed to be Shrek and then he died.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I almost went for that one too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so there was a very small amount of audio you could find, uh, not a small amount. You can find a lot of the audio of, uh, chris Farley doing the um, the audio for the movie, but there's no visuals to it. I think, like a year ago, people found like a six minute video or something that was fully um, something that was fully, um, fully animated, that has chris farley's voice and everything to it, um, so that's kind of fascinating how we found animation to go with the audio. Um, look into it if you'd like. Uh, there's this little thing that I found that I wanted to. Just how do we know that's not a?
Speaker 1:uh, yeah, right I, I love chris farley, but I think I think it was a good decision that it Well okay, how do I say?
Speaker 3:this politely it was a good decision. He died.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it ended up better for the Shrek franchise.
Speaker 3:From the audio I heard it didn't sound right. I know Mike Myers is the reference point now because he just did it, but that Scottish accent he does with it. Yeah, it hits.
Speaker 1:Can you imagine? Imagine maybe the guy from Smash Mouth wouldn't be a fucking alcoholic and died? You know, if Chris Farley did Trek?
Speaker 3:who's to say, you know but I thought that was fascinating yeah, no, there's a lot of interesting ones.
Speaker 1:We'll definitely have to do more of this. Deloitte lost and found yeah, but the last one that I have is the uh, the cnn doomsday video, so basically all right. It's also unknown as the turner doomsday video, so it's a one minute pre-recorded segment intended to air on cnn in the event of a global catastrophe. Uh, it was commissioned by ted turner before the network's uh, like 1980 launch and it basically is just a video of members of the us army, navy, air force and marine bands performing a christian hymn near my god to thee, um and it ismn is associated with the titanic's final moments.
Speaker 1:Um and basically, um. This video was stored in the archives, labeled turner's doomsday video and the instruction with the instruction hold for release till uh end of the world confirmed. And then, uh, basically, these rumors had spread around for years and in 2015, uh, it became publicly available because a former CNN intern leaked the footage, having discovered, basically having discovered it in his internship, and then he just shared the video through Jalopnik, which I believe is a website for like cars and tech or something like that, really kept him off the trail with that one he didn't put it to like fucking one, two, three locker or whatever it's called I don't know, but yeah, you can actually find this online and it's like really just it's kind of eerie, I don't know.
Speaker 1:It's like it's just weird, it's not even like, it's not even scary, like yeah, it do be creepy looking for no fucking reason what's it called turner? Doomsday movie Turner. Doomsday yeah, like you, the way it looks is like it's kind of like zoomed out really far in front of like this band playing the music and it's just like I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's creepy to a degree, but so the context of this is just when we have no hope left. They're just like fuck it.
Speaker 1:Play the video yeah, cause you know we're gonna turn to CNN when a meteor is gonna hit the earth or some shit. Right, but uh, yeah, that was it.
Speaker 3:I thought it was kind of creepy and weird imagine telling that to the people that are in that video, like, hey, this is the last thing. A lot of people are gonna see before they die the performance that we're gonna do right now is not going to be seen unless the world's going to blow up. So give it your all guys. Come on Really, put your heart into it.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to understand the set of circumstances that would lead to like we know everything's fuck-fucked, but we have enough time for somebody to consciously be like. Play the video.
Speaker 3:Jimmy put the tape in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's just like a panic button that you just hit and it just plays.
Speaker 2:They have one guy who's just been waiting for this moment his entire life. He's like fine, he's on retainer for this exact moment hoping the world there was his hand, just hand over button and like there's like a room underneath the studio that has like a pen pad that you have to go through. Then you have to like another door where you have to like scan a thumb and there's like.
Speaker 2:There's two statues one's telling the truth and one only tells lies there's then there's a penile verification device, and then the last room is just a podium with a vhs tape on it.
Speaker 1:Going back to family guy. There's Guy.
Speaker 2:There's a scene like that where I don't even remember what they're. There's like a penile verification thing. I think they're robbing a bank, it's like an Ocean's Eleven Ripoff or something like that and Quagmire Sticks his dick in and it unlocks the door and Peter's like wow, how'd you do that? And he's like I just stuck my dick in and broke it. Thanks, quagmire.
Speaker 3:Well, everybody and broke it. Thanks, quagmire, thank you, quagmire. Well, everybody, that's it for this episode. Goodbye, bye.
Speaker 2:No, you can find us on all our shit, all our socials, you know?
Speaker 3:just look us up Deludycom, patreoncom slash deludypod. Send us an email at deludypod at gmailcom.
Speaker 1:We're actually not going to air this episode, so if you're hearing it live, this is the only time. Yeah, this is lost media.
Speaker 3:Oh, we should. That's hilarious. I didn't think of that.
Speaker 2:There are a couple episodes that are lost media. Now technically that's fair.
Speaker 3:We have recorded a couple.
Speaker 1:There's media episode that we did. That is, I swear to God, one of the best SCPs we've ever done.
Speaker 3:In theory not lost. I might have it here. It might be on that broke-ass laptop.
Speaker 2:It is currently lost.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's currently lost. If it's on the broke-ass laptop.
Speaker 2:I've got it Because I have a whole backup of that hard drive.
Speaker 3:The Apple one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that Apple computer doesn't even have that hard drive. The oh, the apple one, yeah, the apple, that apple computer doesn't even have a hard drive in it, or I don't think that's I don't think that's where we recorded.
Speaker 1:I think we. I think jason lost the sd card that it was on oh did he.
Speaker 3:I thought he.
Speaker 1:I thought it was a corrupted upload onto the no, because we we recorded that well after we moved out of that recording studio gotcha.
Speaker 3:Yeah, uh, we had um, we did sound effects, we did everything.
Speaker 1:It was so it was. So it was such a funny episode too. It was so funny oh, we got so drunk it was just, it was so good, oh my god anyway, just look us up on all social medias too.
Speaker 3:We're probably there. I don't know. I don't run the social medias anymore because social media is poison. Yeah, all I got to say is that. And then, if you find any lost media or anything you think is lost media, upload that shit to YouTube. Don't make it lost, no more, let's see it. Let's see it. If you find old VHSs around your house or your parents house, your grandma's house Fucking, upload that shit. There might be something spicy on it, like your grandma's old porn or something I don't know. Is that what you got?
Speaker 2:Mmm, mmm, mmm.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:Nice, I'm deafening. Doug, what do you got, I guess, film yourself doing despicable acts and then delete it and lose it never upload it. Do something horrible and film it, but Never upload it. Do something horrible and film it.
Speaker 3:But don't upload it.
Speaker 1:But tell us about it, put it on rottencom or whatever. It's not, unfortunately.
Speaker 3:Bye, everybody, have a day.
Speaker 2:Bye, don't look under the internet, you.
