DLUTI 201 - Marble Hornets: Part 2

We wrap up Marble Hornets this week with a very slender episode 201.

Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to Marble Hornets Part Two
• 16:08 End of Season Two Recap
• 35:07 Tim's Mysterious Past and Medical Records
• 53:13 Hoodie's Identity and Tim's Medical Crisis
• 1:11:59 Forest Confrontations and Memory Loss
• 1:31:48 Alex's Violent Turn and Deadly Intentions
• 1:43:44 Series Discussion and Final Thoughts

Transcript

Speaker 2: 0:17

Don't look under the internet. Don't look under the internet.

Speaker 4: 0:37

Welcome brother, it's an internet horror comedy podcast for you internet whores.

Speaker 3: 0:39

I thought somebody was gonna take some kind of right we all just like don't know what to do if Mike doesn't fully improve?

Speaker 4: 0:46

I got it, you got this.

Speaker 2: 0:49

Welcome to. Don't Look Under the Internet. Thank you for being here, thank you for being silly, thank you for being scary, thank you for being stupid, mostly that one. Yeah, mostly stupid because you gotta be. If you've made it this far, we cause brain damage. This is the second part of our two-part 200-episode special on ya boy, the skinny man himself, the tallest creepy internet thing that has ever been really popular. Slenderman, but not just. Slenderman, the specific Slenderman series.

Speaker 3: 1:35

Marblehornis, everybody Marblehornis we're actually doing part two as really tall podcast. Yeah, oh my god, how have we not?

Speaker 2: 1:45

thought to incorporate that in some way, until right this second fuck, welcome to really tall podcast everybody, the podcast where we're gonna be covering everybody's really tall internet horror guy internet horror uncle. Thanks for being here Podcast.

Speaker 4: 2:06

I'm.

Speaker 2: 2:06

Matt, that's Doug.

Speaker 4: 2:09

I'm Jason. You can talk now. We're past the intro.

Speaker 5: 2:15

Slender penis. He's slender penis.

Speaker 2: 2:18

So we don't have any housekeeping, because we just fucking did housekeeping.

Speaker 4: 2:23

We just did it Because if you don't know, we fucking stream we just fucking did housekeeping.

Speaker 2: 2:25

we just did it because, if you don't know, we fucking stream this shit on twitch every other tuesday and we do two episodes at a time, so there's no housekeeping in the second one, so we're just rolling, fucking right into it. Last time we left off, doug had carried us through, uh, the end of season two of marble hornets. Almost to the end of season, almost to the end of season two of marbleble Hornets, almost to the end of season two, almost to the end of season two of Marble Hornets. So close, we're going to cover the end of season two and then we're going to dive into the really fucking long season three.

Speaker 4: 2:54

Tall yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:55

Fucking tall, really fucking tall. Season three when you smash all this fucking shit together, like we mentioned before, it's like nine fucking hours long. Half shit together, like we've mentioned before, it's like nine fucking hours long.

Speaker 3: 3:08

Half of that, more than half of that, is season three. Season three is uh. Well, I think, yeah, I think it's like, I think it's like episode 58 and on it's like five and a half hours, yeah of content.

Speaker 2: 3:17

58 to 87 is like five hours but a wild, but a lot of it legitimately is just like filming knees and shit.

Speaker 3: 3:24

Yeah, it's people's legs the video A lot of forest, a lot of knees. Yeah, a lot of forest, a lot of just black Knees trees and bees.

Speaker 2: 3:34

What about these Knees trees? And what about these? Look at these.

Speaker 3: 3:40

So yeah, To kick us off, alright so just to kind of thank you, I'll give us a small recap um where we left off. Uh, basically in season two. Jay has seven months of unremembered uh time. Uh, he woke up one day and was like what happened seven months later? Um, so right now we're actually going through a set, a series of videotapes and a hard drive that were in um his possession, that he had taken from a hotel room that he woke up in. So, uh, where we last last last left off um was basically um, he finally meets up with alex, some weird shit goes down, um, they're we're not really sure what's going on with alex at this point. Um, and we have two new not two new characters, but we learned two characters. Hoodie and maski are separate entities from alex himself. Um, and we don't really know what their agenda is. And and we still have to the arc dropping cryptid videos here and there between videos in video reply form to, I guess, jay at this juncture. So, yeah, lots of slendys, lots of archies and things that end with Y, because I guess the community just wasn't very creative. So, yeah, we'll pick back up.

Speaker 3: 5:07

So literally the last thing that happens is Jay snuck into Alex's house and stole a tape and then the operator kind of chased him out of the house, where Alex decided not to give chase.

Speaker 3: 5:22

So, as Jay and Alex's partnership continue to, continues to unravel a bit, um, their trust essentially is now diminished. There's no, there's no more trust between the two. Um, and they ended up confronting each other, uh, outside of Jay's car one night and Alex ends up accusing Jay of betrayal and basically being like yo, what did you think was going to happen? I caught you sneaking in my house taking a tape. He's like you think this tape is going to be the thing that helps you uncover whatever it is that you're trying to figure out. And so Alex is like that typical kid who wears his keys on his fucking hip and they just clink the whole fucking time you watch this series. And Jay ends up taking that to his advantage and stealing his keys and being like give me fucking jessica's number, which is the, the girl we saw at the hotel. Um, talking to jay in some of the earlier videos.

Speaker 3: 6:14

So swore she knew him yeah, she was like oh, you're very familiar. And this is now. We know that he's familiar with jessica, but they don't quite know each other yet. You'll, we'll go over that a bit. But yeah, so he takes alex's keys, locks him in the car and he's familiar with Jessica, but they don't quite know each other yet. You'll, we'll go over that a bit. But yeah, so he takes Alex's keys, locks them in the car and he's like give me your fucking number. I don't know why Alex wasn't just like or I'll just whoop your ass and take the keys out of the car, but either way he's like OK, fine, here's the number. So Jay ends up calling him and he learns that that was who we heard Alex tell that he had seen Amy and that she was fine. And Jessica was like what? No, like I thought she was cool. And then Jay kind of spills the beans that no, that's not quite the way it is.

Speaker 3: 6:56

So, despite all of that, jay continues to kind of secretly watch Alex. He keeps following the different places, see him return to rosswood park a handful of times and, um, we see that alex is drawn to this tunnel in in the woods. Um, and the obsession with the tunnel seems to run mutual with jay as well, because jay just continuously starts to like follows, keeps following him back to the spot and in one of the videos we see him like watching Alex and then you see Alex kind of like turn his head, like just slightly, and it freaks out Jay out and he bolts and he starts running Cause he's like, oh shit, he saw me. So, um, what follows? This is like probably the most like fucked up moment in the series. Um, like as of right now, what follows, this is like probably the most like fucked up moment in the series. Like as of right now.

Speaker 3: 7:49

We see a video from Alex's point of view and basically he's sitting in the tunnel. It's like the opposite POV from like the chest cam that we saw Jay filming. So when Jay ran, this picks up there. So basically we see him sitting in the tunnel and then this random dude shows up and he's like, hey man, are you okay? And fucking Alex just like snaps and he's like I told you not to follow me here and like literally just fucking lashes out at this dude and he ends up strangling this man and then just fucking smashes his head in with a rock. So just a little.

Speaker 2: 8:31

What it's poetic, just a little homicide.

Speaker 3: 8:35

Just a little little bit of homicide is fine to do at work, so yeah he kills this dude and then we get this like kind of like weird shot where he's just like standing over him and like fucking huffing and puffing, and then the operator appears and then we get the visual distortion and then the stranger's body just disappears. And it's pretty, pretty evident now that the operator is not just like an observer. He's fully got something to do with the missing peoples that we're kind of encountering, right.

Speaker 3: 9:06

So um slender the crimson under um. So these are mixed with some more cryptic videos. Um, we get some more to the arc videos with glimpses of masking hoodie and then flashes of the tunnel and we see some psychological phrasing like how much do you hate? And it's not enough and, um, it's just, it seems like they're kind of harassing jay at this point, um, and it's still kind of unclear like what, what their angle is on everything. Um, so jay ends up meeting one last time with alex at rosswood and uh, this is a continuing footage from the earlier entries now that we kind of had that POV switch and as they part ways, jay sees the masked figure again and ends up chasing him into the tunnel, only for the figure to like completely vanish at the end. And then his obsession starts to go even further when Jay sneaks back into Alex's apartment and actually successfully retrieves a previously missed tape, and the recovered footage from that tape shows a pretty messed up story.

Speaker 3: 10:13

We end up seeing some early shots from Marble Hornets filming and it's Alex and Brian filming in the woods at this abandoned building. And then, brian, he eventually picks up the the camera during some like weird distortion event and, uh, he finds tim like keeled over in this room, having like a coughing fit, and then, of course, the operator appears. There's like a pattern here that we're starting to see right, um, and the feed cuts and then we see this body being dragged away, but we're never really shown who it is. But using context clues you can tell that it's Brian being pulled away, and we know Tim is technically masky and we don't know what the fuck Alex is doing. So there's still a lot of questions that are being unanswered here.

Speaker 3: 11:00

So things start to escalate a bit as Alex leads Jay and Jessica into the woods. So basically, the video that we see Alex leading Jay into the woods, at the very end of that video Jay goes to put the video camera down and then he's like oh, the camera's running out and that's where it ends. And then we kind of pick back up there and we see that he's like oh, like you know, it's really dark, like we should just go. And then Alex is standing there and he's like I, you know it's, it's really dark, like we should just go. And then alex is standing there and he's like I think I'm gonna stay here for a little while. And he's like we'll do this later. Um, he's like we should probably have like jessica come next time or something. So they end up going with uh alex into the woods under the pretense of him revealing something important to the both of them and instead he fucking pulls a gun out on him.

Speaker 3: 11:43

He's like here's a gun, um, here's a fucking gun uh, but basically before he can shoot them to death, uh, maski, uh ends up showing up and kind of like attacking uh alex, which gives jay and jessica a chance to escape, and uh, they hear a gunshot as they're running away, so it's not really clear like if somebody was shot or not. And then at that hotel later that night, jay hears Jessica scream and they, he sees the operator in his own room and then this, his confrontation ends in confusion, a lot of distortion and the culminating, at the very end of the episode, into footage of Tim walking down just like this random street outside Um. And this is the end of the seven month period, this is the end of season two, um, and the very last thing we see again, like I said, is just Tim walking down the street in a random town, um. So we're going to pick up with season three, um. So basically season three is now.

Speaker 3: 12:51

I guess real time essentially uploads, um, it's we're, I guess the best way to describe it is. Now we're seeing what Jay is filming and uploading to what he wants us to see, to what he wants us to see. So basically, jay is trying to find Tim after seeing him on the street and he's trying to figure out, like, where he can go to kind of figure out okay shit, like, why is Tim here? How can I run into him again? And eventually he is able to find a place where a woman knows who Tim is, tells him that he goes to this therapist's office XYZ days and then he's like, alright, well, I'm just gonna fucking camp out in front of this place and eventually he'll come here, right. So he does, he sees Tim and he's finally able to start playing detective. And Jay basically is like, oh, yeah, it's very clear that Tim doesn't know anything or remember anything at this point.

Speaker 3: 13:44

And Jay is kind of like, oh, like, I wanted to finish marble Hornets. Um, cause it's been like, I guess, technically, some years now since that happened. Um, or at least a year, um, cause, from that seven months, obviously, like he didn't, he's it took him, like I think he says, three months after the seven months to figure all of that footage out, um, but he's like, yeah, I want to finish the marble hornet hornets film. And uh, basically talks to tim and tim's like, yeah, I have a big bag of like, of unused stuff. If you want it, um, you can have it.

Speaker 3: 14:16

So jay starts digging through that footage and, um, we start seeing this kind of like tragic tone from these videos. Uh, alex is shown and he's like playful and like relaxed and having a good time filming, like it's before. He's super sad, um, and like mean and all that shit. Um, but yeah, as of right now, um, we don't really know like where this footage is going, right, so it's clear that, uh, tim was starting to show signs of something like that bad that had happened, um, because of his frequent like coughing and erratic behavior.

Speaker 2: 14:51

This is all stuff we're seeing in the videos by the way, I just know tim's just like constantly smoking cigarettes, but he's like taking the most fake puffs of cigarettes that I've ever seen in my entire life yeah, the whole, like he does the whole like well, no, he like, he like immediately, like sucks the, sucks it in and then just like puffs it out immediately.

Speaker 2: 15:11

So so here's a note, because cigarettes are a recurring thing that I've noticed in analog horrors if you're gonna fake smoke cigarettes, you gotta hold the smoke in for longer than like two milliseconds.

Speaker 3: 15:24

You gotta yeah, I know, I know it hurts, I know it's bad you gotta do the classic like suck the smoke in, like blow it out and like suck it back in thing.

Speaker 4: 15:33

You know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 3: 15:34

The French inhale yeah, yep, that's what that's called Um, yeah, no, he smokes a lot Like all the time and it's funny, because actually that's later on. I'll talk about that later but uh, yeah, so, uh, where was I fucking? Yeah, so in the videos that tim handed over, uh, we're seeing all this like weird shit from tim. We're seeing coughing, erratic behavior, caesar-like episodes, um, and it all points to the fact that he may have actually been affected by the operator long before any of the others were. Because this is all happening before the filming or like during the filming of Marble Hornets, like right beforehand, like when they're scouting locations and stuff.

Speaker 3: 16:14

And then in one tape that we see, alex and Tim are scouting an abandoned hospital and during this time Tim steps away for a moment and basically it kind of seems like tim's like going to take a piss or something, and then alex, off camera, like suddenly, just like walks on by and then just fucking bashes him with this like pole, um, and then, of course, the operator appears right after that, tim collapses and then alex just like calmly walks out of frame and then, um, afterwards, you see, like some time go by, you can hear tim coughing again, uh, kind of alluding to the fact that, like he survived the attack, um, but now something is like definitely definitely changed between tim and alex, um, and it's pretty, pretty pivotal, and again we keep going to these like past tapes and yeah. So that's the end of my section.

Speaker 4: 17:14

So, yeah, full send on season three now your shit made a lot of this a bit more confusing. Yeah, more elements to it, for sure, but that's good, because I did enjoy the end of this and we'll get there.

Speaker 2: 17:30

Mike, do you want to finally fucking say something for the first?

Speaker 4: 17:33

time Talk.

Speaker 2: 17:36

I'm proud of you.

Speaker 3: 17:37

I don't know if I should be proud of you.

Speaker 2: 17:39

But it's been almost 20 minutes and you haven't said a word.

Speaker 4: 17:45

Have you been trying? Yeah, haven't said a word. Is that? Have you been trying? Yeah, that's a yes, that's an absolute yes, kind of.

Speaker 5: 17:52

It's been hard to say nothing after. The only word I said was slender penis. That is where you left off it's been real hard to not follow up with anything from there.

Speaker 4: 18:03

But I didn't interrupt Doug. I will say you did. Let Doug get through his entire part, I, but I didn't interrupt Doug. I will say you did let Doug get through his entire part, I did. I won't let you. Oh, I know, oh, I know, I saved it all for you. That is turned into a frustration from a frustration of mine into, just like an expectation of a feature of the show.

Speaker 5: 18:21

It's just what you get. I was too busy posting Lil B in chat chat so I saw that people don't people. People don't recognize the bass guy himself. So it seems, from where he left off, that tim's camera was still recording after alex attacked him. It's now night out and tim is in the abandoned hospital. He's's coughing up a storm. Damn it, he's coughing it up.

Speaker 5: 18:48

That bonk on the head did him no favors. As he stumbles his way out of the building, we see behind him there are some lights from a flashlight in the distance as he's resting against a tree trying to collect himself. Tim gets back up and he goes back into the building where we see Alex is hunting for Tim. Alex has his flashlight and he's got a lead pipe in hand going room to room, hallway to hallway. Tim hides in a room on the side of the hallway. That's the problem with lead poisoning.

Speaker 2: 19:18

What's going on?

Speaker 5: 19:20

Should have just called this a marble horn. It's a lead horn, lead hornets, lead hornets. Tim hides in a room To the side of the hallway that he sees Alex in. He sits in the corner and tries to stifle his cough so Alex won't hear him. Jay, at this point, decides To upload A video after he sees us and he decides he's going to talk with Tim after what he saw just happened on these tapes. He's going to essentially keep pretending that he is trying to finish the film and he's going to see if Tim can help him.

Speaker 5: 19:58

Jay asks Tim about the hospital and mentions that Tim told Alex about it on the tapes. Tim's a little confused by this. He's like why would I bring up the hospital Whatever? Yeah, sure, let's talk about it. Jay then persuades Tim to take him to the hospital and that annex building that basically all this happened in. He did this in the hopes that it might jog some sort of memory with Tim or just see what kind of a reaction he'd get from taking Tim out there. While there, tim is getting noticeably flustered with Jay and his obsession with this dumb film. As they bicker about the uselessness of finishing this film and why it's not that important, the hooded figure comes out from a room. What did you guys call him? The hooded man, hoodie man, hoodie man.

Speaker 3: 20:43

Hoodie man.

Speaker 5: 20:46

Yeah hoodie, hoodie, masky, masky hoodie so hoodie man comes out from a room we give chase, jay gives chase where we find a maintenance tunnel that hoodie is alleged to have gone down. Tim basically says fuck that and we gotta go. So they bounce because Tim's like I'm not about to chase some random stranger into a maintenance tunnel. That is stupid.

Speaker 4: 21:13

Most other individuals in horror movies do that. It's a bad time.

Speaker 5: 21:16

Also, again, where are they getting these locations? Because they are. This is real shit.

Speaker 4: 21:22

Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 5: 21:22

This isn't a soundstage or nothing.

Speaker 2: 21:26

This is a real fucking maintenance tunnel in a abandoned building that they're just like actually for I feel like you gotta scope out the locations first and then be like what can we do with this?

Speaker 4: 21:35

100. You build a story around the locations, not the other way around. Yeah, yeah, so you should see some of the the uh abandoned locations in the Calb.

Speaker 2: 21:44

Ooh, we may have to pay a visit. Yeah, we should talk about that later. Uh-huh, I agree yeah dox yourself more, as if Mike hasn't already done it enough.

Speaker 5: 21:58

Yeah, too many times, I've done it too many times. So Tim called Jay to meet him. This is later on. After the whole issue that happened, Jay decides he's going to come clean about everything to Tim and everything that's been going on During the meeting. Tim comes out of his car and just pow, just decks him in the schnoz and he's super pissed off that Jay has been documenting all this online. Yeah, he just walks like 100% come on and he's basically.

Speaker 5: 22:37

He's basically like you know, after you brought this up, I decided to google Marble Hornets and, wouldn't you know it, I found the YouTube channel and all the videos of the weird shit that's been happening to me. So thanks for not including me in on this, because it's been months Of this shit. He now knows all about the videos and is kind of freaking out. And Tim just wants out. He's done. He's like don't involve me anymore, take me out of this, keep me out. He's like imagine, imagine being in my situation where you'll wake up randomly one day and your leg's broken and you have no idea what happened. Or you can't hold down a job because you woke up one day and you went to your job and it turns out you haven't showed up for work for three months.

Speaker 3: 23:15

Yeah, okay, hold on. I thought this so many fucking times during this.

Speaker 2: 23:20

Yeah, I know exactly what you're about to say.

Speaker 3: 23:21

How the fuck does Jay pay for so many fucking hotel rooms? Where does?

Speaker 2: 23:24

this man have the money? Do any of these people work? Tim mentions it at one point in one video where he's like, oh, I'm super busy with my job and then it never.

Speaker 4: 23:32

He's obviously not because Maybe he's in Nebraska, where a hotel costs as much as a square foot of land.

Speaker 2: 23:39

I don't know it is like the shittiest motels you've ever seen in your life.

Speaker 4: 23:42

They're super shitty. It looks like a college dorm that was converted into a hotel, which is not good. Nah, what are you gonna do?

Speaker 5: 23:51

Not stay at that hotel. Sometimes the funding just comes naturally. Maybe they got a Patreon Like Patreoncom slash DillyPod, who knows?

Speaker 4: 23:59

I feel like any institution that has a Patreon is just shilling for money.

Speaker 5: 24:04

Yeah, patreoncom slash, delete pod. So again, tim wants out. He's done. He's like don't contact me anymore, I'm fucking out of this shit. I want my normal life back. So Jay's like all right, I got to go it alone. So he goes back to the hospital and he found the room that, uh, tim mentioned to him a couple episode videos back, um, that basically tim was like oh yeah, this is the hospital, this is the room that started the fire that burned this hospital down. Um, and you could tell it's more crispy than the rest of the rooms, capital.

Speaker 5: 24:37

Um, he enters the room that he saw the hooded figure leave from. There is writing on the walls that he saw the hooded figure leave from there is writing on the walls that he finds he finds the phrase he is a liar and follow me A clear request from Hooded man to go Hoodie to Jay to go into the tunnels. Jay climbs into the tunnels and while in them he hears footsteps from above. He then finds a folder that says liar on it. It's a little manila folder, along with a white tall doll that kind of looks like the one that we've seen before in earlier videos, while making his way out of the tunnel see, here's a noise behind him. No, he doesn't.

Speaker 5: 25:17

he turns around and it's sunday boy, I'm sorry, operator thank you the operator baby, and he's just kind of like hey, from in the pipes he's peeking around the corners of the tunnel. Jay runs for his life and Slenderman is right behind him every time he turns around. But he escapes, although everything after finding the medical documents in the folder is just a blur to him. Jay then opens up the folder to find old medical records for Tim from when he was a child. It seems Tim has always. Tim was a child, he was a child. What, it seems Tim has always struggled with hallucinations and other psychiatric issues.

Speaker 5: 25:58

Some say he still is a child.

Speaker 3: 26:01

Some say he's still a child. He's been a child for 40, 40 years I already said he's baby cops relevant that's fair.

Speaker 5: 26:10

Yes, we then get an, a, an upload from the arc channel of someone watching Tim in his house.

Speaker 1: 26:18

They take his pills, so they see him take his pills. They see him take his pills.

Speaker 5: 26:29

We're watching you. They see him taking pills and it seems like they enjoy watching this, because they're just watching him take pills and they're just doing it for an extended amount of time, if I hear you say take pills one more time, I might lose my mind.

Speaker 2: 26:43

I like how his medical papers include a fall risk Assessment, like he's like an 80 year old Woman or something.

Speaker 4: 26:50

He's got some fucking clapper on him or whatever I will say. I more often than not see Patients under the age of 40 With fall risk Like bracelets On them just saying Well, I did know a guy in high school.

Speaker 2: 27:06

That's how he died. He was in a car accident, survived the car accident, got up to go to the bathroom while he was in the hospital because of the car accident, fell and hit his head and died yep real thing, old, shaky legs, greg he was actually like one of the nicest guys I've ever met.

Speaker 4: 27:23

He was a shaky Greg.

Speaker 2: 27:25

RIP Mark.

Speaker 5: 27:27

RIP. Oh sorry, shaky legs, Mark. We then get an upload from someone who has hacked Jay's account. They upload a video of them breaking into Tim's home. It's Hoodie. They steal Tim's pills. There it is, and Tim. Basically what happens is they're outside of Tim's window and Tim gets a call. He's like give me a second. He leaves the room and then they sneak into his window, they put a camera up in the closet, they take his pills and they just kind of hide out. I assume in the closet somewhere.

Speaker 4: 28:01

They put a camera in his closet.

Speaker 3: 28:04

Yeah, real r kelly move it's kind of fucked up actually because, like, clearly he knows what he's doing and then just proceeds to film. This man have a bad time yeah.

Speaker 5: 28:14

So tim comes back into the room and he's coughing up a storm and it's getting worse and worse, so he goes to look for his. Obviously, you know how in like movies and stuff, or like if you're having like some sort of anxiety or like a medical problem, if you just pop your pill two seconds later, you're fine. You just go right and you're fine.

Speaker 3: 28:30

Yeah, that's what they're trying to do here, and so alright, I have to interject one more time, because this is one thing that bothered me throughout this whole series, and it's not like a continuity continuity error or anything like that, it's just the fact that there's so much fucking coughing. They are coughing all the time, and they're like hacking lungs up all the time it was like triggering. Almost I was like bro, fucking stop drink some water, tim.

Speaker 4: 28:57

I'm pretty sure out loud I said can you stop like shut up it's in my notes he coughed some blood at one point.

Speaker 5: 29:05

It's not from his disease, it's because his throat's All fucked up from coughing so damn much.

Speaker 2: 29:10

He's chain smoking all the fucking time.

Speaker 3: 29:12

Yeah right.

Speaker 2: 29:13

I think that's supposed to be the suggestion.

Speaker 5: 29:16

Probably. Anyways, that's fair, he's not?

Speaker 2: 29:19

actually inhaling it, though, so he should be fine.

Speaker 4: 29:23

So what's happening?

Speaker 3: 29:25

The fucking poser, so what's happening? The fucking poser, so what's?

Speaker 4: 29:27

happening. Where are the other? Drugs going.

Speaker 5: 29:30

So he goes in coughing Party. It's not a drug house. He's coughing very badly and he's going for his pills. He can't find his pills so he just collapses on the floor and he has a seizure Tim after the seizure.

Speaker 2: 29:42

It's more than a seizure, it's like an out-of-body experience.

Speaker 4: 29:47

It's like complete muscular distress.

Speaker 2: 29:50

It's like Gary's Mod ragdolling is what it is. Yes.

Speaker 5: 29:56

It's that SpongeBob meme of SpongeBob just in the air and he just like, falls back, hits the wall and he just yeah, so after this weird seizure situation situation, he gets up and just walks out the door and hoodie follows him all, while hoodie is like guilt tripping jay with quotes on the um on the screen, saying things like look what you caused and where could he have gone. But jay knows where he went.

Speaker 4: 30:23

Why.

Speaker 5: 30:26

Plot. So Jay goes back to the forest they were in earlier.

Speaker 2: 30:32

Plot armor.

Speaker 5: 30:34

So Jay goes back to the forest that they were in earlier. It's night time now and he's going through the forest and he's walking around. And this is creepy because he looks around and he hears someone running near him. It's pretty creepy because you just hear the crunch of the leaves behind him. He turns around and he sees Tim in the mask. Tim Jay yells as Tim chases after him. He's yelling, he's like Tim, tim, wait, tim, tim, no. And Jay hides in some trees with Tim searching around him, literally inches from his face. Tim, you dropped the ball, dog. You could have found this man.

Speaker 4: 31:07

He's literally like they're a tree apart and he's like right here. He's like ah, when are you.

Speaker 3: 31:13

You can tell it's supposed to be like pitch black or whatever. But yeah, they're about to kiss.

Speaker 2: 31:18

It's probably because he can't see through the mask that he's wearing for no reason because everybody already knows who he is.

Speaker 5: 31:24

I have to wear this my face. I can't take this off. What do I do? It's similar to the mask from that movie, Clown or whatever.

Speaker 4: 31:34

Oh my god yeah, the shotgun scene is my favorite scene in most movies. Great.

Speaker 5: 31:43

Some confetti and frosting. So, uh, sorry, you could. So, yeah, confetti and frosting. So he hides beyond a tree With Tim searching around him. Tim finally finds him and pins him to the ground and Jay screams as he's being choked out by Tim. Jay then gets dragged away In the hoodie. I think they're gooning together. Is this the first? Is this the first time that was?

Speaker 3: 32:05

on me.

Speaker 4: 32:06

That was the first mention of gooning in this episode.

Speaker 3: 32:08

He said he was choking him out.

Speaker 4: 32:10

I couldn't resist. He couldn't help but think gooning.

Speaker 5: 32:13

Yeah, I get it. So as he gets dragged away by Tim, hoodie picks up the camera. We then cut to Jay sitting in this random shed and he wakes up. He gets out of the shed and Tim is outside the shed Next to him. He also is waking up at this time as well. Tim can't remember anything that just happened. They make their way back to the trail In the woods and the camera dies. After this horrifying situation, tim takes a mental health day for a few weeks. Then it's Jake right there. He's like they're like oh, do we have to do something about what just happened? And Tim's like I gotta go talk to my doctor so I'll hit you up after that.

Speaker 4: 33:03

And it's like weeks went by and I'm like wait what Tim? Takes a mental health day for a few weeks. Holy shit, that was funny.

Speaker 5: 33:21

So at this point they meet up together in a fucking truck yard or some shit in the dead of night and they come up with a plan to go back to Roswood. After they deal with this situation that's occurring, they will go and find Jessica. Oh, that got you pretty good. Hot damn, I did it. Finally I broke someone. It only took four years and 200 episodes, but I did it Finally.

Speaker 5: 33:46

I broke someone. It only took four years and 200 episodes, but I did it. I can't stop. I'm sorry. The plan is in motion. Now Tim and Jay make their way back to the barn area where Alex held a gun on Jay and Jessica and Tim attacked Alex. They try to rejog their memory by playing Sherlock Holmes because neither of them remember that day. They go into their mind palace and they notice that this happened a year and a half ago and they reenact the situation that occurred and they find a bullet hole in the ceiling where Alex shot at them.

Speaker 3: 34:14

You can hear the progression of how Mike was writing this out, where all of a sudden he's like oh, I should be funny A little bit.

Speaker 4: 34:23

He just now realized. He just now realized he just now.

Speaker 3: 34:27

I've been summarizing this and I wasn't.

Speaker 2: 34:30

Too much internet, too much horror, not enough comedy.

Speaker 5: 34:33

They put on like detective vision, like you're playing a Batman game and you just hit R2 and it's like Footprint. They did that.

Speaker 3: 34:39

I will say he does like look up and he's like that hole, that's a bullet hole.

Speaker 5: 34:44

He's like Tim's like crouched. He's like this, like crouched on the ground, like this. He's like, hmm, looking for clues. He's like, ah, a hole, could that be from the bullet?

Speaker 4: 34:54

You look like L from Death Note, so they he's like ah a hole, probably from the bullet.

Speaker 2: 35:02

And then he crams 15 candies into his mouth.

Speaker 5: 35:06

Ooh, a piece of candy. So, anyway, they make their way back to the forest. Tim has his chest camera on and they try to find that shed that they woke up in, but it's gone. Now it's mysteriously vanished. They make their way up to a tunnel big, big tunnel that we've seen before. While they're in the tunnel, they get a call from an unknown number. The number says the person on the phone says leave, we've been trying to reach you about your car.

Speaker 4: 35:35

Shit it was.

Speaker 5: 35:35

Alex. So it says leave now. And it hangs up. Turns out that was Alex. They start to panic and Tim starts coughing a lot again, because that's his character. Um, while he coughs, the camera pans over to see the operator. Tim yells for jay to run. As he collapses on the ground with the operator over him, jay just claps, cheeks back to the cars that they arrived in. Uh, when he gets back to the cars, he notices that tim is already inside his car. As he bangs on the window to get Tim's attention, tim looks up with the deadest eyes I've ever seen in a man and he drives off Jay. They were very dead. He has black rings around his eyes and everything.

Speaker 5: 36:21

Jay is now being taunted by the ARC uploader, who uploads a video with things on the screen saying you abandon him and meet again soon. But how's tim doing with this situation? Let's get back to tim. So we now see footage from tim's chest camera and let me tell you something that pisses me off about this chest camera the audio sucks. I know that may be the point, but you can tell it's talking through like a piece of pro from 2012.

Speaker 2: 36:48

What do you?

Speaker 5: 36:48

I don't care, I expect cinema. So, uh, we get footage from tim's chest camera and there's some trippy shit that starts happening. Cue fucking um. Iron butterfly, uh the, uh, what is it? What's that song by Iron Butterfly In the God of the Vita?

Speaker 4: 37:09

Isn't that Iron Butterfly? That's no.

Speaker 5: 37:13

That's Iron Butterfly dog.

Speaker 4: 37:14

No, it's not Iron Butterfly. Iron, just search up In the God of the Vita, iron Butterfly. Is that really? Wow, I'm learning something. You sure are You're wrong. Still cue that song. You, I are butterfly. Is that really I? Wow, I'm learning something. I did not, you're wrong so cue that song.

Speaker 5: 37:28

You all know the song. It's the uh fucking um do, do, do, do do do, do, do do, do, do, do do.

Speaker 4: 37:37

I did not know that was them. Holy shit. Oh yeah, baby why did.

Speaker 3: 37:40

I think that was Led Zeppelin, I think, because they sound pretty similar you said it really confidently, jason, so I thought it was led zeppelin for a moment I was like yeah, mike is an idiot dude.

Speaker 4: 37:53

Every time I've heard that song, I thought it was led zeppelin.

Speaker 5: 37:56

Everyone in unison. I'm glad that you all were just like no, you're wrong, michael.

Speaker 2: 38:00

So I didn't say anything. I didn't say anything. All I said was I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 4: 38:04

No, I jumped off the cliff.

Speaker 2: 38:07

I fully just stepped back in my parachute. I'm going to just watch. I'm going to let this sort out itself, damn.

Speaker 5: 38:12

All right, cool, I'm learning shit. Some trippy things start to happen from Tim. He wakes up in a pond of water and when I say wake up, I sort of mean like it goes from him laying on the floor to just in the water just dying. I'm all gray. And then it flashes to him just running around you see my downstairs mix up then it cuts to him just running around.

Speaker 4: 38:42

This is why part twos are a bad idea.

Speaker 5: 38:43

This is why part twos are a great idea so then it cuts to him running around the forest a bunch. Some violently violent imagery of him screaming and basically being tortured occurs on screen. Then Tim seems to be kind of in like this like hellscape area it's. He's in like this black void, it's all black around him, except there's one person on the ground dead, and it's that random person that Alex killed before that was wearing like a chef's coat for some reason. You remember that guy, this fucking swedish chef that alex was just like, stop bothering me and just just murdered again yeah, it's murdered an innocent chef on the swedish chef on his way to sesame street, um.

Speaker 5: 39:21

So he then wakes up again back in a pond, um, where he makes his way to his car this is kind of where he seems to go into, like autopilot, as it shows him driving. He's not saying anything and he makes his way back to that uh hospital and annex area from the abandoned one from before and he goes into um, one of the rooms that they visited earlier. He sits in one of the rooms and he has a full-blown meltdown. He's screaming things like let me out. He's clawing at the walls. He starts to hallucinate, seeing people in the room with him, but there's no one there. He says he's at the door, he's right there, he's just bugging out. He goes into another room and he takes his pills Not just one pill, but room.

Speaker 4: 40:07

And he takes his pills Not just one pill, but he takes the entire fucking bottle of pills which?

Speaker 5: 40:10

yeah, not healthy, yeah, not healthy. He then finds the room that the hoodie walked out of that has the graffiti on it that says he's a liar, and he just starts wailing on it with a pipe. That he sees. So you know, super productive, until he gets sleepy and decides to pass out and take a nap. He meets back up with Jay. That's the thing. It just cuts. It shows him pass out and then just cuts. He's chilling with Jay and he's basically just vibing with Jay and he's like Jay, I need to tell you about some things we need to talk and I need to show you some stuff. You need to tell you about some things we need to talk and I need to show you some stuff. You need to come with me. Save some shit, boy.

Speaker 4: 40:48

See some things I wouldn't recommend it. Follow me through the goon door.

Speaker 5: 40:52

Yeah, the goon door.

Speaker 5: 40:59

Tim says they need to go back to the hospital together. Why Tim takes Jay to the room in the hospital that the fire started. It was Tim's room. Tim started the fire. It was always burning the operator. That wasn't scripted, I just thought I'd try to be funny. It didn't work. He went to the hospital when he was younger. Now Tim is concerned at this point that, since he used to have the went to the hospital when he was, uh, younger, uh. Now tim is concerned at this point that, since he used to have the hallucinations as a child, um, and that he is connected to the hospital, that all this shit is occurring and that this is somehow his fault.

Speaker 5: 41:36

He created a tulpa he does kind of believe that he created tulpa um all the people have been hurt.

Speaker 5: 41:43

Uh, they're all hurt because of him. Tim wonders if there are any old, other old files in the hospital that may contain information on him. At this point, um, jay tries to console him, but he does a horrible job, because there's one point where tim's just like this might all be my fault and like what if they all got killed because of me? And jay's just like well, I guess we just got to get up and keep going. He's very bad at consoling this guy.

Speaker 5: 42:09

It reminded me of the scene from the movie man of steel where, like, um, there's a scene when, uh, superman's a little like younger, like I don't know, like junior high or something, and their bus goes like careening off of a bridge and everyone's about to drown and then, uh, super Superman, as a young boy, saves everybody by pulling the bus out of the water and like one little girl sees him, so like he has to like move to a different school or something. And like he's like crying about it and uh, his, his dad, paul Kent, he's crying to him about it and Paul it. And Paul Kent's just like I should never show off your power, son. Like you can't let people know what you can do. And Superman's like what do you think? What do you think? I should just let all those kids drown. And Paul Kent's just like maybe, and it reminded me of that- seems like the most economical religion in a nutshell I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 3: 42:58

I zoned out for a second and I came back to you talking about Superman and I was so confused I was like it reminded me of that, because jay's horrible at consoling people.

Speaker 2: 43:07

Catholics don't believe in birth control, so like 10 more are gonna follow him, so that's fine yeah, it's, it's all good, dude.

Speaker 5: 43:14

So again, tim wonders if there's any old files that uh may still be left in the building that have information on them. Um, as they look for a file room, hoodie appears again. Uh, they follow hoodie around where um like around the hospital, where they find him going into a room and stashing a tape under a bunch of rubble. Um, jay breaks off from Tim. Jay goes to get the tape and Tim goes to follow hoodie. Um, and they attempt to follow Hoodie where he promptly disappears. Tim is very upset that they didn't catch Hoodie, but Jay's at least a little happy that they were at least able to acquire said tape.

Speaker 3: 43:52

I wonder what the tape might show a lot of stuff I wonder we all went for the slow, wrong answer that's where my part ends wowie zowie?

Speaker 2: 44:07

first of all, bozo we just found a tape, so what yeah, who would have thought that there would be? A tape in this series all about what's on the tapes? What's on the tapes, Jay? What's on the tapes? What's on the tapes?

Speaker 2: 44:30

So this tape that gets founded, it's kind of fucked up. It's like full of dirt and shit and it's super duper scratched up. But Jay is pretty convinced that he's going to be able to get some shit off of it anyway. Mostly it doesn't play, but he is able to recover a little bit of footage off of the tape. So on this tape is Hoodie dragging Tim out of the hospital that they were just in and then going back in, and then Hoodie goes back in and wanders around the hospital and a wild alex appears. So alex is like walking around the hospital, clearly looking for something or someone. Um, and the tape cuts and then we see alex just fucking tied up to a chair and and then Tim comes running out of a room and just beats the ever-loving fuck out of Alex and Alex falls down on the floor. And then Hoodie walks up, grabs Alex's gun that he has, pulls it on him, points it at his head and is about to shoot him. And then this Lindy boy himself shows up and apparently stops him from shooting him. So the rest of the tape is pretty fucked up, except for a few minutes at the end, which shows a hoodie dude with a gun, and then Tim wakes up in a field and he looks down and the mask that he's been wearing to be masky is on the ground. And then he stumbles around a bit and he wanders off.

Speaker 2: 46:04

So we cut back to Jay and he's in a motel room and he gets a call and Tim is all like yo, what up, I'm ahead to you. And so Tim shows up and then they decide to get the fuck out of town. Then they decide to get the fuck out of town. So in the meantime hoodie apparently uploads a video himself which is him wandering around in an old building that he's apparently been staying in, and while he's in this old building, alex attacks him and demands that hoodie tell him where jay and tim have gone.

Speaker 2: 46:36

So it's very clear that alex is searching for Jay and Tim, which is part of why they got out of town to begin with. So Hoodie runs away from Alex and then hides down in that shaft that we saw earlier. So we go back to Tim and Jay and they are on a road trip and they are heading back to where everybody in this whole shit used to live. So it was addressed a little bit earlier on that for some reason jay had moved to a different location and tim just showed up there, and so now they're going back this was assumedly so, just to just to call way the fuck back to when we saw, uh, alex and amy together.

Speaker 4: 47:19

This is, I think this is assumedly so, just to call way the fuck back to when we saw Alex and Amy together. This is, I think this is assumedly around the same time as this is where he moved.

Speaker 2: 47:29

Yeah, I'm not sure if it's a coincidence that Alex and Jay ended up moving to the same place, or oh. I have no idea, yeah Anyway, hey, man, when you run out of locations to film at you.

Speaker 5: 47:41

Gotta work with what you got.

Speaker 2: 47:43

We'll get to alex moving here in a second. So they're going back and they're backtracking to all the places where they filmed marble hornets, and so they go back to the park that has the gazebo and the red tower and they go to the red tower and while they're investigating the red tower, suddenly jay is. I saw somebody in the woods. He actually does this twice, this is the second time but he's like hey, I saw somebody in the woods and he makes Tim like go back through the film that he's been recording. And Tim's like dude, there's nobody here. I think you're just imagining stuff. So he's like all right, whatever, but I'm pretty sure I know what I saw. So they start walking off and jay trips into this hole and conveniently this happens to be a hole that alex has apparently stashed a bunch of tapes that he attempted to burn. So they they're pulling all these tapes out and they're all melted and shit and jay's like I'm pretty sure I can recover stuff off of this.

Speaker 5: 48:37

He's very optimistic about the plots are really saving them, right?

Speaker 2: 48:42

Exactly, it's like it's been how many years at this point, like seven years and these burn tapes have been chilling in this hole in the ground just exposed to the elements.

Speaker 3: 48:53

I got it. Yeah, you tell me it didn't or rain in that time.

Speaker 2: 48:56

It's like I'm in the seven years I happen to have trained to become a professional Archivist and I'm pretty sure I can recover the data off of these tapes.

Speaker 1: 49:06

Magneticism and fucking degradation aside, that job that you didn't know I had Right.

Speaker 2: 49:15

That job that's been paying for my $50 a night motels, so anyway, In this economy.

Speaker 2: 49:23

He is successful in doing so, though. So they review the tapes and it's more footage of Marble Hornets filming and it's more footage of Alex being a total schizo. And so the first one that we see is Alex and he's in a car and he's driving and he totally gaslights Amy on the phone into believing that he's home. And he's driving and he totally gaslights amy on the phone into believing that he's home and he's going to bed and she's like are you sure you're at home? And he's like, oh yeah, she's like there's a bunch of noise in the background. He's like, yeah, the signal's bad out here. It probably, you know, you're probably just hearing interference or whatever. Anyway, he gets to the playground that we have seen before, where he saw the slendy boy, the operator himself, and he waits for the operator to show up and tries to attack him and it does not work. So Jay speculates that the reason that Alex didn't give him this tape was because it had something to do with Amy, and either he didn't want to hear the conversation with Amy or he didn't want people to know about something about Amy. But anyway, they keep digging into these tapes that he's able to recover. There's more footage of Alex just generally being paranoid. And then Jay, in one of these tapes Jay shows up at Alex's house and it appears that Alex is packing to leave. So Alex is like I don't want to film this movie anymore, I'm just getting the hell out of town. And Jay's like, well, give me the tapes. And so Alex does, give Jay the tapes and as Jay is leaving and putting the tapes in his car, alex comes flying out of the house and just fucking assaults him Like, throws him down on the ground, starts punching him and shit. And Jay's like I do not remember this happening at all. I am pretty sure that what actually happened was I just showed up to his house, I took the tapes, I left and none of this happened. Um, it is addressed in the conversation with alex and amy that alex is like I'm gonna move to go be with you once we're done filming all this. Um, which is a sort of a callback to like why alex got out of town. But it's pretty obvious that alex is actually fleeing to get away from the operator, but apparently he's going to be with amy wherever she's going to college.

Speaker 2: 51:29

So after they reviewed these tapes, jay and tim decided to go back to the house that alex was staying in, which is now entirely empty, except for some of those pages that they find in a closet. And so while they're standing there looking at these tapes or looking at these pages, jay's like, oh shit, I just saw dat boy out in the fucking field outside this window. And tim's like what are you sure? And he's like yeah, 100. The operator's standing out there in the field and tim like peeks over the window and he's like there's nobody there, my sure. And he's like yeah, 100%.

Speaker 2: 52:02

The operator's standing out there in the field and Tim like peeks over the window and he's like there's nobody there, my guy. And they like review the tape and stuff, and there's nobody there. And Tim like starts getting super fucking mad at him and he's like you're just imagining shit, just like I did See, you need to start taking the car. And then they're like maybe we should check the basement. So they decide to go back into the house and check out the basement. And they get down into the basement and suddenly it's dark outside. They can see through the windows that it's dark outside. There's like been a time skip here. So they turn around and there is dat boy and dat boy, dat boy starts chasing him. So they run away and they run out into the field and then Tim like loses track of J and so he comes back to try to find him and the operator is standing over J and Tim's like I got this. So he like fucking pulls out his knife and tries to assault the operator, but nothing happens.

Speaker 5: 53:00

And the operator he tries to assault him with a pocket knife yeah like a little tiny oh that that comes back so soon after this getcha.

Speaker 4: 53:12

Yeah, yeah, thank you, pay attention to that. Just keep that pocket knife in mind yeah.

Speaker 2: 53:17

So he tries to attack him with his knife and he ends up falling down and so we cut back to hoodie and he's in his little bitty house that he's been chilling in and it appears that alex has like messed up his shit and so he like tries, he gets his gun and um, he like starts walking out and like a bunch of audio distortions happen and he falls to the ground. He finds a stash of pills which I guess help with all this shit. Tim decides to take Jay back to the motel. Jay doesn't remember anything about being attacked. Tim tells him that he started actually giving him his psych meds because he thinks it'll help him resist the operator's effects.

Speaker 5: 53:59

He says this has something to do. This has never give people your pills, right.

Speaker 2: 54:01

Yeah, um, and so he also reveals that he found a tape that shows the hoodie guy breaking into Tim's house. Um, and apparently hoodie has been stealing Tim's meds and Alex has also been hiding in his attic. So they go back to Tim's house and they find some pills, but Alex isn't there. And they discover that alex's makeshift bed and tim's attic has a picture of amy underneath it and there's an address on the back.

Speaker 3: 54:29

I have to just interject that's weird it's so funny when they go to tim's house and they're looking for that pill, the pills that he hid, he's just like, oh yeah, I put some pills over here, and he just like moves a couch and starts like digging behind the couch Like he fucking. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 54:44

I just stash pills around my house.

Speaker 3: 54:47

I just thought it was so funny. I was like what?

Speaker 5: 54:48

the fuck are you doing? Yeah, it's totally what normal people do with their psych meds. I put it back here for safekeeping.

Speaker 3: 54:56

I keep fucking losing my pills. There's no way he has that many refills. Let's be real.

Speaker 2: 55:00

Yeah, he's like even after they find the bottle. He's like I'll be able to use this for a refill. He's like how many refills have they been giving you? At some point they're supposed to call your doctor, right.

Speaker 3: 55:14

Hey doc, I need a refill. It's been like three days.

Speaker 4: 55:21

Yeah, some guy in a mask stole mine, so I kind of need more. His name is Dr Username, so like it's just really, whenever you want to log in and sign up for meds, there you go. Oh, you mean Dr Fartbutt? Yeah, dr Fartbutt. Dr Marcus Fartbutt.

Speaker 5: 55:33

That's the guy, holy shit.

Speaker 2: 55:35

It's been like a hundred episodes since we've referenced that I'm pretty sure I said something about the fact that we hadn't referenced it in like one of the last few episodes did you really? Not talking about marcus fartbutt, should now be the marcus fartbutt not referencing it at all cool anyway.

Speaker 2: 55:54

So, uh, they started looking around tim's house and they're looking for a tape that shows up in the video that Hody uploaded. And suddenly Jay attacks Tim and he's like where's the fucking tape? Man, give me the fucking tape. And Tim's like I don't have a tape. And then he falls to the ground and then a tape falls out and he absolutely fucking has a tape. And Jay picks up the tape and he's like what's on this tape, man? And Tim's like it's something that you need to see, but not right now. And so Jay starts fucking booking it and getting away.

Speaker 2: 56:28

And so the tape that he finds or that Tim was hiding from him contains footage of Masky and Hoodie just straight up kidnapping Jessica from the hotel that she and Jay were staying in. So after she gets kidnapped, alex shows up and he apparently shoots one of them and tries to save Jessica, and so they run to the tunnel that we saw earlier, and then Alex pulls a gun on Jessica, who tackles him and then runs away. And then the operator shows up and disables Alex, and then Hody chases Jessica and then Jessica lays, and then the operator shows up and disables alex, and then hoodie chases jessica, and then jessica lays down on the ground and then jessica just fucking disappears and hoodie runs into the road where she was laying and he's like where she did go and then she's gone. So the operator apparently done did take her damn you operator.

Speaker 5: 57:19

They even make a reference. They're like, oh, it looks like it's the same thing that happened to fucking the Swedish chef guy that Alex killed in a tunnel. They're like, oh, he just kind of vanished.

Speaker 3: 57:29

Yeah, and we also see it in a video where Alex just disappears when the operator shows up. Yeah, people just. Cue. Uh, what the fuck is that thing called Theremin the?

Speaker 4: 57:41

theremin yeah.

Speaker 3: 57:47

I want a fucking theremin. So goddamn bad.

Speaker 4: 57:50

You look like a guy who plays a theremin.

Speaker 3: 57:51

Is it?

Speaker 4: 57:52

the beard. I feel like I should have been told that before in my life, but I haven't. I haven't. Doug, I wish you were not wrong, but you are so goddamn right. I can't look at this webcam and look at the person that I see and say, yeah, that man doesn't own a theremin.

Speaker 3: 58:17

Can someone do a supercut of episodes of just Jason's beard becoming longer episode by episode? I would like that sent to our email, please. Thank you, Holy shit, yeah, Please somebody do that.

Speaker 5: 58:31

More gray as well.

Speaker 4: 58:32

Oh, there's so much more gray as of recent.

Speaker 3: 58:35

Y'all, I'm graying so bad. This is crazy.

Speaker 4: 58:40

Matt, are you squared away with your yeah? Yeah, that's the end of my section okay, cool, we're reaching the conclusion, people, we are um. So, simply because I have two versions of the outline in my document, matt, would you mind saying the last thing that you covered, so I can line up my part with yours? The last thing that I covered was entry 76, and it's um where jessica gets kidnapped by hoodie and and masky yeah, yeah, and you see, alex, and all the whole deal, cool, cool, okay, and she disappears.

Speaker 2: 59:14

The operator done did, took her apparently done did.

Speaker 4: 59:18

She might have arced, he might have arced her, who knows?

Speaker 3: 59:22

all right. So the next section is 77 through 87. This is the final bits of this series. So after months of searching and piercing together fragments of corrupted footage, jay finally tracks tim down, but instead of a like reunion or explanation, he is violently ambushed and knocked down and tied up inside of tim's home. So this is kind of a turning point. Jay, who's been documenting everything, is now totally powerless and the story kind of shifts into tim's perspective of things. And then we get some strange things happen. The hooded man, the same figure who appeared in the background time and time again, enters the house, walks right past Jay and then basically leaves a knife next to him. He doesn't speak, he doesn't attack, he just gives Jay the option to either free himself or not and then sets down a camera and just totally disappears. This could be a gesture of mercy or manipulation, depending on how you interpret Hoodie's motives, but we don't really know At this point in time. So from there Both Jay and Tim's perspective Begin to start to kind of unfold. Side by side, jay follows Tim to an old to start to kind of unfold. Side by side, jay follows Tim to an old, deteriorated building known as Benedict Hall, which we're going to start to see a lot of. And then Jay arrives to find the hooded man lingering in the shadow and glimpses of Tim slipping in and out of the building.

Speaker 3: 1:00:57

So we're doing a bit of jumping back and forth right now between videos of Tim and videos of Jay. But right now we're looking at the events through Jay's eyes. This is after he's been released and has the camera. Now we get some audio distortions, as usual, and something seems to be wrong inside. Jay goes into the building and he starts to, you know, have all the same symptoms of the sickness or whatever we want to call it. So Jay ends up encountering the operator, which is par for the course, and actually ends up running into alex too. Um, it's kind of all a big blur, um of confusion and distorted audio and screaming and static, and then kind of silence, as it's implied that maybe jay has been shot. Uh, the footage cuts and we're not actually really left knowing whether or not he's alive or dead.

Speaker 3: 1:02:02

And then we jump over to Tim's camera, which kind of starts to fill in the blanks. So we see his disoriented trek through the Benedict Hall, where he goes through a bunch of coughing fits as is normal, the operator appears and reappears or disappears fits, as is normal. Um, the operator appears and reappear or disappears, and we get this endless pursuit of something that I don't even think tim quite understands. Um, he's kind of going through this like self journey at the same time, um, and we kind of see that in his uh we've seen that in other episodes too where he essentially is like i't know, kind of fighting his own demons as like also fighting real demons uh per se, but, um, he just kind of doesn't behave normally here and uh, tim runs through these same spaces repeatedly, repeatedly, chasing the hooded man. We see a bit of uh like, uh like, uh like distortion, and where they are? They go through the forest, they're in Benedict Hall, they're in the abandoned building, and you can tell that, like I think we've said this before, but not all doors lead to the same spaces in the show and finally he he ended up ends up chasing the hooded man and we see him hanging or I guess not hanging, but kind of like pushed over a ledge, and he falls from the top floor and we're kind of left questioning whether or not he's truly dead or not. Um, but uh, yeah, it's, it's kind of a, it's a pivotal moment here.

Speaker 3: 1:03:39

We, we get some kind of closure on, okay, the Hooded man seems to be out of the game now, and then we get kind of a revelation the Hooded man had a tape which we then see, basically early days of Marble Hornets. It's Alex's casting footage and it's like a behind the scenes kind of deal. So we see a much younger group obviously, and this is kind of where we are finally confirmed that it is indeed Brian who is the hooded man. So we see both Brian and Tim give a uh, an inner, uh, basically what is, uh, their casting audition, um, which is they're not good, but that's besides the point. Um, but we do see Brian wearing the like the classic hood, uh, hoodie jacket or whatever.

Speaker 3: 1:04:36

So that's, that's kind of like this is the first time we're like, okay, it was kind of easy to tell, but he is for sure the hooded man, um, and yeah, and now he's uh, you know, we, we kind of we can kind of infer a couple of things. Like he was involved from the beginning, he will, he was not just a victim of the operator, um, and he's been watching the entire time, kind of being silently pulled into the operator's influence. I guess you could say his motives are still kind of unclear, which is interesting too, because they they really like to do this thing. Where, essentially, they they do this thing where, like I don't know, it's hard to uh, they essentially answer a question without answering the question, if that makes sense. Um, so basically we're still left with just a bunch of of of questions, but, um, we did get a little closure that we now know it's Brian.

Speaker 3: 1:05:35

Um, so, with that being said, uh, basically, tim, tim starts to kind of focus his time and efforts on Alex now and kind of calls him out and he ends up waiting for Alex to just show up at his home and he doesn't show up. And so he's like you know what I'm just going to? I'm going to leave my home instead and maybe he'll, he'll come then, for whatever reason, and he does. And to alex showing up at his house and, um, basically, alex just goes like full scorched earth. Um, he's screaming, um, he's lighting his home on fire, which uh, looks pretty impressive on camera, honestly and yeah, he is just like he's pissed. It's not just revenge, he's just literally there to destroy Tim and everyone else, but yeah, he's essentially what Alex thinks is happening is that he needs to wipe away everyone connected to the operator to make it stop. Um, but that doesn't happen and tim ends up escaping.

Speaker 3: 1:06:47

And uh, yeah, now it's kind of personal for tim. He's, he's pissed, tim is fucking po'd um their final uh, when he does finally catch up to Alex, they end up returning to Benedict Hall and Alex has this kind of calm rationale, explains his whole philosophy to him and he goes through this kind of monologue, essentially stating that he's got to wipe out everyone that the operators influenced and he's convinced this is the only solution just total erasure of everything. Um, and Tim kind of won't have it, and what follows is a very chaotic fight. Um, tim brutally, brutally murders Alex. Um, and you can tell like he's, he's a goner, he's for dead. Um, and you know tim has finally finished things once and for all and that kind of brings us to the end of things.

Speaker 3: 1:07:48

Uh, and yeah, tim, we, we get a shot of tim driving through town, not quite sure where he's going. Um, you can tell he's just burnt out, he's done, he, he's got nothing left in him. Um, and we see that he reconnects with jessica and she's only she's one of the only survivors. Um, it's kind of confirmed now that pretty much everyone's dead jay's dead, brian's dead, alex is dead, amy's dead um, jessica and tim are the only ones that made it it and it's pretty clear he doesn't.

Speaker 3: 1:08:23

When he's talking to her, he doesn't even know what's coming next. Their exchange is pretty quiet and resigned. There's no revelations, there's no closure, and in the final moments we see Tim alone in his car, just driving and he takes a handful of pills, looks forward and that's it. And really all we can assume here is that the operator is the real winner and that, uh, no one else is really coming out of this with any sort of you know, know, there's nothing going right for anyone that's been left. They just went through these horrific, horrific events and, yeah, that's where we leave off. The series kind of closes with a slow, painful drift into uncertainty and we can only assume the operator's still out there doing God knows what to God knows who, and that's it.

Speaker 4: 1:09:26

Everything is fine.

Speaker 2: 1:09:28

Is not a single third party in the like at all any family member investigating the dead individuals.

Speaker 4: 1:09:37

None of these people have mothers, none of them have uncles, none of them Jobs, none A pet. None of these people have mothers, none of them have uncles, none of them have jobs a pet but that is the last entry for Marvel Hormones yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:09:51

So I'm gonna, I'm actually gonna cover, I'm gonna go very quickly here because I know we've been going on for quite a while, but I'm gonna cover the comics. So I just want to say these comics are not free. They are paid on the Grampo site. I highly recommend that you go and you, if you like Marble Hornets, you go and pick up the comics. There are currently four and a half volumes. They are not super expensive. You can download them, you can buy physical copies. Please go, support these guys. They deserve it.

Speaker 3: 1:10:25

Um, I'm going to summarize these very uh, I'm going to leave out a lot of details because I want you to go and I want you to read the comics if you do like the series, because I think it's worth the time and the read. Um, they're not super long, um, and you can knock them out and like it's like a five minute read for each volume, um. But so the last video we had I believe the last upload was 2014. I believe is from when 87 um is comes out. That's the end of season three, sounds right? The comics are canon and they are technically season four right now. As far as what they've said june 20th 2014 yep, so 2014 was the last video, so this first issue came out in 2019, so you know, a whole five years later, pretty much, um. So issue one is called regards.

Speaker 3: 1:11:14

The story picks up, uh, after the youtube series ends primarily following jessica lock, um, who ends up surviving the Marble Hornets tapes. She's now trying to live a normal life. It's actually a couple of years after the events, but she's trying to have a normal life as a delivery driver and she is still suffering from the operator's lingering influence memory loss, blackouts, distorted vision, etc. We're also introduced to two characters named Adam and David. These are two guys who are investigating the Rosswood Park. They're basically big fans of Marble Hornets. They start experiencing similar symptoms as Jay and the others did from the original series. We get a new masked figure that appears in this issue that is actually watching them from the shadows and it's not clear who they are quite yet.

Speaker 3: 1:12:06

And then we go into issue two, which is called Eyes Open. Jessica has gone to see a doctor and their name is Taylor. They're a medical technician who's monitoring their symptoms of blackouts and neural activity etc. Their symptoms of blackouts and neural activity, etc. Jessica is suffering from visual distortion, dissociation, hallucinations and all this other shit and they begin doing all these tests on her. Meanwhile, adam and David are still investigating Rosswood, but this time they go back at night and the experience intensifies and they begin having panic attacks, hearing voices, seeing all these impossible things. In the woods they find some remnants of like to the arc style graffiti and operator symbols, kind of alluding to saying like hey, there's some active shit going on here. To a scully is seen both observing um, adam and jessica and uh, suggesting he's not just tied to rosswood but also, uh, pretty much anyone affected by the operator.

Speaker 3: 1:13:08

Um. Issue three, uh, was released in march 2021, so the second issue was in 2020, third issues in 2021. So it takes a while for them to crank these out. Apparently, um, this one's called you are broken, which is something that we heard from the original series, where it says you're broken, you can't be fixed.

Speaker 3: 1:13:26

Um, jessica's condition is starting to deteriorate and taylor, the nurse or the technician, um, is becoming very skeptical of the equipment she's using because all the all the tests are coming out like messed up and glitched.

Speaker 3: 1:13:40

There are hints that Taylor may be getting pulled into the same sickness as Jessica and the original Marble Hornets crew started to experience.

Speaker 3: 1:13:49

And Adam then returns to Rosswood alone without David and um, on, uh, in the forest, onto an operator site where there was like a bunch of stuff left over from some of the victims belongings, which you do learn that uh, essentially, um, like 22 plus people have gone missing in this forest and, um, yeah, it's super, they, they've kind of expanded on the story a little bit there, um, and so jessica and adam's story start to kind of intertwine. Um, they're both having the sickness that, uh, everyone else was, but, um, scully is now shown a little bit more close up, a bit more corporeal than he was before, um, and is clearly following both of them. So basically, uh, we, we do, uh see that scully is trying to recruit Jessica to help kill the operator, which is probably going to be a big plot point here, and that ends that issue. And then the half issue is issue 3.5, called To the Ark, and this is actually what I think so far has been the most important thing to tie up on these ends based on what you told us.

Speaker 4: 1:15:01

After all of us seeing this whole series like, yes, this is so important yeah, this is super, super big.

Speaker 3: 1:15:08

Um, this was released in 2022. Um, it's a non-linear, lore heavy issue told primarily from the perspective of hoodie brian. Um, and we follow him as he exists in this like liminal extra dimensional space called the arc. So we finally see the arc. Actually, it's a surreal metaphysical environment with, like, pretty much the souls of anyone that the operator has taken Brian ends up interacting with, like echoes of Jay and Alex. Both are, which, like, are they're like broken spirits essentially within this realm.

Speaker 2: 1:15:40

This is where the scully Shinigamis right, exactly, shinigami tensei or whatever.

Speaker 4: 1:15:46

Yeah this is where you're promoted to willem dafoe, yeah okay, yeah, yeah, um.

Speaker 3: 1:15:51

so scully now revealed to be the collective of former operator victims. Uh, he like takes his mask off and you see like j's face, and then you see Alex's face and you see all these other faces offers the victims kind of like a salvation that they can merge with him to become something new and protected from further torment of the operator. The merging process is abstract and very emotional, it seems, but you can kind of see all these emotions coming out on the different people that are inside of them. Jay seems regret, alex is angry and defensive, and now Brian is caught in the like, this kind of in between, and eventually Brian agrees to join Scully, implying Scully is not just one person but a networked consciousness of those consumed by the arc. So the arc is a place. It's where he was taking those people that disappeared.

Speaker 3: 1:16:43

It just seems like some people could get out somehow, like Jessica, for instance, and we actually saw I think it was Tim sees the dark area with the Ark essentially in it at one point, but that's where that issue ends. And then we get the last issue. This came out in 2023. It's called can you see me? And basically jessica is super spiraling out, doesn't know what's real anymore. She's seeing visions of jay.

Speaker 3: 1:17:12

she hears the operator um like everywhere she goes is going in the visions they gunan in the visions, um, they're having dreams of rosswood, even when they're nowhere near it. And then adam and david, their friendship is just going down the tube. They're just, they're fighting each other. They're trying to, uh, basically get um jessica's autograph because they think that she's like an actress, but don't realize that this is all real. And then scully shows up and fucking everyone's like who the fuck are these two random guys? And they start fighting and basically fucking dude kills David and pushes him into the arc.

Speaker 2: 1:17:53

It's a whole fucked up thing all I can think of is Scully from the Office can I just say okay, have you guys all seen John Dies at the End?

Speaker 4: 1:18:04

I have, but it's been a long time. Do you remember what they made Korok look like? Nope, nope, can't say that I, the big mass of flesh that was eating people. God.

Speaker 3: 1:18:18

I don't really. Apparently I don't remember that movie very well.

Speaker 4: 1:18:20

Well, if anyone out here has ever remembered john dies at the end, uh, this whole concept reminds me of korok. The arc seems like just an amalgamation of flesh and knowledge, which is right. Again, if you go watch the movie john dies at the end or, honestly better yet, read the book, you will either read or see uh, this amalgamation of just human bodies and spiders and intestines, and it's just.

Speaker 3: 1:18:48

It's horrible, but also amazing um, yeah, and then so pretty much, uh, that's pretty much it for the comics. Um, the last thing I have here is just that scully begins kind of open, openly appearing in the daytime. Now he never really speaks, um kind of just observes, standing in areas and making others remain unaware of him. Um, but it seems like the operators world in our world is starting to break down and I think that's why scully wants jessica's help in like killing the operator. And again, spoilers, I guess, but so is this whole series, because we're covering it. But do go, go read the comics. They're really, they're pretty good, the arts really nice, I enjoyed it and they're easy reads. So, yeah, picture books so. So I don't know shit. What's, what's left here?

Speaker 5: 1:19:42

there's really nothing left, creators, I guess I wouldn't even have to really go into them.

Speaker 4: 1:19:46

I say at this point because this is already been a time probably, yeah this is.

Speaker 5: 1:19:50

This has already been a very long episode. I just want I can do a brief, just like what they've done what they're doing.

Speaker 4: 1:19:57

It's. I mean I wouldn't have you guys heard Ekvanet. Have you heard Clearlegs 44? Have you heard of the channel called THAC, called Troy has a Camera? Go check them out. Troy Wagner Troy. Wagner is like the main behind all of this. It's also alongside Joseph DeLage and Tim Sutton, as well as Noah Scammon at the very later seasons. They do a bunch. They, I mean they do a bunch. They've got what Ekvanet that we actually have covered. Yeah, we've covered Ekvanet. Clear Lakes 44. I think also we've covered that.

Speaker 5: 1:20:33

No, we did Lake City, but we haven't.

Speaker 3: 1:20:36

No, we didn't do Clear Lakes.

Speaker 4: 1:20:37

Oh no we yeah, lake City Quiet, pills.

Speaker 3: 1:20:39

That's what.

Speaker 4: 1:20:40

I'm thinking of Cool, yeah, we got Clear Lakes. Well, we may do it. I don't know They've done that, but they also have apparently an upcoming question mark project.

Speaker 5: 1:20:52

I'm pretty sure that upcoming question mark project is the sequel to this Rosswood, because a month ago they posted a trailer, but we don't know.

Speaker 3: 1:20:59

Mike, you're not wrong, you're not wrong, you're not wrong, but he posted on his channel there is a trailer for a Rosswood We'll see, though, but I'm not smart enough to find it.

Speaker 5: 1:21:11

It's on the Discord. We shall see, but I do want to kind of get you know your guys' opinion. I know we're running a little low on time.

Speaker 3: 1:21:21

I really like this series. I know we're running a little low on time, but I really like this series. I feel like it's got a lot going. As far as like just being nostalgic. I've watched this before, back in the day, I don't I didn't remember as much as I thought I did, but yeah, no, I enjoy it quite thoroughly. I'm I'm not the biggest fan of Slenderman as a same, as a whole, I guess I I but I do like its use in this quite a bit, like they did it, really really well, I guess it's one of those things where, like it's, maybe it's overdone a bit by like kids who oh, at this point, yes, but, but when this came out, it was I.

Speaker 4: 1:21:59

I would venture a guess to say that it wasn't overdone. Yeah, but when this came out, I would venture a guess to say that it wasn't overdone. I remember seeing this when I was younger.

Speaker 2: 1:22:08

This came out around the time of the game, A year after they started the Something Awful forums post right.

Speaker 4: 1:22:17

Yeah, oh my god. Yes, this is where it all started. Something Awful. They posted something on Something.

Speaker 5: 1:22:23

Awful. They posted literally the introduction video.

Speaker 4: 1:22:26

Yes, something awful, and it took the fuck off from there. That's how this shit used to happen. You post to a forum. If you got any kind of reaction, you made it.

Speaker 5: 1:22:36

Yeah, it's a very good. It was very fun. I thoroughly did enjoy it. I like that. It it's a very good. It was very fun. I thoroughly did enjoy it. I like that. It was nice to see where a lot of the tropes that we find annoying now.

Speaker 5: 1:22:47

It was nice to see where they kind of started Because you could tell it was fresh. Back then it worked because it was fresh and they were still coming up with ways to do these tropes, where now it's just some generic bullshit. They were actively making them creative and cool. It's comparing CGI from Iron man 2008 to now, where before it looked really good, now it looks shitty because it's expected. Now Before it was just a flair. It has that vibe to it to me, but I enjoyed it.

Speaker 5: 1:23:20

There's a lot of bits where I'm just like what the fuck was any of that? I do think this went way longer than it needed to. Yeah, um, that's my. You know I'm not trying to bag on the creators because I couldn't fucking make anything, especially as young as they probably were when they made it. Um, I'm just saying like I don't think you needed 87 videos. Plus I think there's 130 something total with the arc videos included. Oh yeah, I don't think he needed all that over four years to tell the story here. Um could have gotten rid of about 40. Yeah, it could have been condensed down. I think they lost the plot. Um, not in a bad way again, it's just. To me the whole plot just does not make that much sense. I think it's mostly just aesthetic driving this whole thing and vibes driving this whole thing, which isn't bad.

Speaker 3: 1:24:05

but I will say a. Thing.

Speaker 2: 1:24:08

But, it isn't good. It's one of those things where they tried to extend it, I think, and without a fully fleshed plan to begin with, but they manage it a lot better than some of the other stuff that we've seen.

Speaker 5: 1:24:20

Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 2: 1:24:21

The earlier videos I think are the horror itself, and you mentioned this. Like I don't know if it's just because of the shitty video quality that isn't. It's difficult to replicate the 480p like shitty sony handheld cam video quality with just like filters and davinciinci Resolve or whatever, but like I don't know if it's that or if they actually pull off the horror extremely well.

Speaker 2: 1:24:47

But especially some of the videos in the first 20 videos are genuinely terrifying, there's good jump scares and then there's like it jump scares you just enough and it shows him just enough that like the rest of it becomes terrifying, because you're like I don't know what's about to happen and you're like constantly waiting for it yeah yeah, you can feel that it kind of like slips away from a like a, a very horror heavy series to like almost like just like a drama that has Slenderman in the background.

Speaker 3: 1:25:23

I just like a drama that has Slenderman in the background.

Speaker 4: 1:25:24

Ooh. I just have a very good question for these horror series. I feel like if a horror series makes you forget reality in any capacity, it's doing a very good job. I feel like this is one that absolutely did that. Can we give that a name? Not?

Speaker 5: 1:25:44

tonight.

Speaker 4: 1:25:46

Suspension.

Speaker 5: 1:25:46

Because, boy, I can't think of anything. Suspension of disbelief. Yeah suspension of disbelief.

Speaker 2: 1:25:52

Yeah, grumpo, I don't mind that they flesh out the story more Bad sex I think it's fine. I think the story is fine, but, like you said, it's way too long. It's so fucking long.

Speaker 2: 1:26:07

It probably wasn't that grueling to get through if you were actually following along at the time and they were just uploading it in five-minute segments. I can watch five minutes once a week or whatever, but to go back and watch all eight hours of it is actually a grueling task To go back and watch all eight hours of it is actually a grueling task.

Speaker 3: 1:26:24

Yeah, I think to your point, matt. I think there was also the like you had the Twitter that you could follow along. And again, I think you guys are probably so annoyed of me going the comprehensive timeline. If you look at the comprehensive timeline, though, you can see all the posts in like order and you can see the Twitters in order and, like you know, people were interacting with them before uploads and, like you get a little bit of info that you maybe not got, like would have got in one of the entries and like you kind of saw in real time jay going through the emotions and like the actions of getting to like point a to b, and then seeing the video after a week of twitters and you're like, oh fuck, like what happened. And then you see it. And then seeing the video after a week of Twitters and you're like, oh fuck, what happened. And then you see it and then it's like, oh, I got another couple days before another upload and shit like that.

Speaker 5: 1:27:11

At the end of the day, though, the whole plot makes no goddamn sense, because Alex at the end is really pissed at Tim because he started this all. But, if you remember, alex gave Jay the tapes and nothing happened up until that point.

Speaker 4: 1:27:27

Dude. That's the whole thing.

Speaker 5: 1:27:28

So Alex was the starting point of it all. According to your interpretation, yes, he was so upset about the situation and the operator that's been stalking him.

Speaker 2: 1:27:41

But why does he want to kill Jay Correct? I guess you can explain. To give away the tapes, he decided to kill Jay Correct. I guess you can explain it all the way, as all these individual characters are just hallucinating because of the operator and the operator is just legitimately sowing chaos.

Speaker 5: 1:27:52

But why is he doing it, though?

Speaker 2: 1:27:54

So that he can take their bodies once they die, I guess.

Speaker 3: 1:27:57

Can we just say that that's something that I don't think we know yet.

Speaker 4: 1:28:06

Take. That's something that I don't think we know. Take better people's bots.

Speaker 3: 1:28:07

Can we just say that the operator, absolutely 100%, is Nyarlathotep. He's pretty damn close. He's definitely just a chaos bringer.

Speaker 4: 1:28:12

Correct.

Speaker 5: 1:28:13

The crawling chaos, find better people to possess and whatnot. You found a bunch of lanky, scrawny white people. Go to fucking Muscle.

Speaker 2: 1:28:20

Beach, what better?

Speaker 5: 1:28:21

Find a buff dude, possess him.

Speaker 3: 1:28:23

Possess a squirrel got some meat get them I was. I was kind of thinking about it when you asked you like what's the point of the like the plot? And like, yes, there's a lot of plot, like there's a lot of leftover plot that we don't get or haven't gotten yet through the comics. But like, I mean, realistically, the series is just about some kids that are going through it. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5: 1:28:44

Yeah, but they never establish Again. It's established to me that Tim has been seeing the operator since he's been a child.

Speaker 3: 1:28:54

Technically, so has Alex, if we look at it in that sense.

Speaker 5: 1:28:58

Why, I don't know. I feel like the plot, just why. I don't know. I feel like it's the plot, just it. It doesn't have, like it doesn't make much sense to me, because you have this, this thing that started off following alex and, I guess, tim, from when they were children, but it doesn't explain really why, or uh, uh how, why they were chosen, what this thing even is like. Like this whole thing seems like it's kind of like a disease. They keep calling it like a disease or a sickness, but like again, why? What is the goal of this being? Why is it just affecting these people? I know it's the whole thing with, like it's this forest deity, but why is it specifically targeting these guys and not the locals that have been in this town for decades? Why is it just these people that's being affected? There's no reason why it's these people, other than they have tapes to be fair to.

Speaker 3: 1:29:52

To be fair, that isn't that how any story is, though. Like why these people like, why are they?

Speaker 5: 1:29:56

a lot of the stories have some sort of explanation like oh, he's the chosen one. Or like he picked up the cursed amulet, or something like this is just a youtube series on some board game here's the thing, though.

Speaker 2: 1:30:10

I would prefer they leave it like that rather than make some attempt to like shoehorn in an explanation for shit that doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 3: 1:30:20

I don't mind that either. I agree, I think. I think that's why I like it so much because it feels like I don't even know how to describe it, but it just feels like it's a go-to series that I could watch over and over again. I don't really need the explanation of why.

Speaker 2: 1:30:40

I think it's fine to leave some things a mystery.

Speaker 3: 1:30:45

Yeah, no, I agree. Agree, I think you're right. I like it the way it is. Honestly, I had those questions while I was watching it. I had the who's paying for the fucking hotel rooms, like why these guys like what is the operator, even like what's their goal? Like we didn't get any of that answered. But I think that's why I'm kind of drawn to it a little bit. Like we didn't get any of that answered. But I think that's why I'm kind of drawn to it a little bit, because we didn't get that answer.

Speaker 5: 1:31:08

I like that if the entity like I, I don't know. I like that to an extent, but at a certain point, when you spend four years on a series, it's got you. You have to give me some sort of goal for this entity that that's fine for like a movie or like a short series, but this is for four years in the making. You have the story's not done yet exactly. It's still fucking going 15 years later. You have to give me some sort of reason for this.

Speaker 2: 1:31:38

All but people are still, people are still talking about it, though, if you, if they were up in a nice little fucking package. Maybe it'd be over. Maybe people wouldn't talk about it.

Speaker 3: 1:31:50

Mike wants a spin off where it's just like the POV from fucking the operator and he's just like it's like Mike this is a personality trait with Mike, though Mike wants an explanation for everything.

Speaker 2: 1:32:03

Because I've run into this with trying personality trait with Mike, though Mike wants an explanation for everything. Because I've run into this with trying to write with you because I'm like this happens and you're like, but why?

Speaker 5: 1:32:08

and I'm like it doesn't matter you said it best plot sometimes, sometimes, yeah, plot, but like, sometimes you don't have to tell a story, like, like I said, like with with a short, with a movie or something like that, you can leave things open-ended, like the end of fucking inception or some shit. You don't know. Is he in a dream, is he alive, doesn't matter. It was a cool two-hour run. This is a nine-hour series. That's fair enough. If you don't fair enough.

Speaker 5: 1:32:34

You're gonna waste that much of my time and then not tell me if you're gonna take nine and a half hours of my life away and not give me a satisfying conclusion, go fuck yourself and so many shows, though there's so many shows that have shitty ass endings, and they're almost every show and they go.

Speaker 5: 1:32:51

And how long do those shows go for like fucking 15 years. Hey, marvel hordes, you're like 15 years old now, you're. No, it's at that point where they they put off giving us a conclusion for so long. They're gonna give us one now and it's not going to where they they put off giving us a conclusion for so long. They're going to give us one now and it's not going to be satisfying. That's the problem.

Speaker 5: 1:33:07

They've waited too long to give you a conclusion with that logic, basically, what you're saying is that there's no, there's no chance of you being satisfied anymore, exactly they will, they, they, they cannot end it now, because if they do end it and give you that conclusion, no one will be satisfied because it's been too long. It's like the ending of scrubs it was great and then they brought it back and it sucked. It's the ending of future bring it back again.

Speaker 3: 1:33:30

Did you see that?

Speaker 5: 1:33:31

yeah it's it was great they brought it back. It sucked like you can't go too long. It's the ending.

Speaker 3: 1:33:37

I haven't even watched it yet.

Speaker 5: 1:33:38

I was afraid to like you, you gotta, you gotta end it. You gotta end it at a certain point, otherwise it's just not gonna you can't give people time to come to terms with what? Happened. Is this not gonna hit? Well, it's not gonna hit.

Speaker 3: 1:33:51

I will say there's a lot of different theories out there. I don't know how many of them. If you looked at any of them, I kind of tried to stay away from them because I didn't want to like be swayed and like how I felt while we were doing this talpa theory I do, I do too. I was like, holy shit, that's, that's good.

Speaker 5: 1:34:08

Yeah, I like that um, the last thing I want to talk about with this. Again, I mentioned a brief you before the locations, chef kiss yeah they got so many good locations, so many. I don't know how they fucking did it. They must have gorilla filmed this shit, because there's no way they got permits for half this shit that they're filming in.

Speaker 3: 1:34:27

But I mean shit in the forest. They don't. I, I don't know where they are located.

Speaker 5: 1:34:33

You don't like, man, those, some of those things that they, they like some of those shots and like like finding those abandoned, like ruins in the forest and then having like random buildings and stuff like the, the in the forest, the actual forest, that whole abandoned college campus which I'm assuming, I'm assuming may not actually be abandoned, might just be going through like renovations or something.

Speaker 2: 1:34:54

Um, no, it's just Alabama. They don't fund education. This is just what they had to deal with.

Speaker 5: 1:34:59

That's fair, the one thing that I did want to bring up with. The last thing I want to bring I'm sorry that I thought was like the best shot in this entire series was um. It was in jason's portion so probably everyone checked out. Um. There was a point where um tim was like trying to run away from uh, uh alex. Alex shot him and tim collapses over and he falls through the floor down to like the first the the last level. They they probably did some editing trickery to make it look like he fell through.

Speaker 2: 1:35:35

That shit looked great that's kind of what I'm wondering is, I'm gonna have to go back and watch them, but they had to have because he could not have fallen through there like. I'm wondering, though if, like some of those buildings, the upper levels of the building are one building, but they actually edited it clever, cleverly in a way so that, like the basement sections are actually a different building I had that thought too, but like it's very possible he falls through, looks up through the hole.

Speaker 5: 1:36:01

You see, alex, look down fucking operators right there. Fuck it, it's such a good shot, such a good fucking shot.

Speaker 3: 1:36:08

Yeah, I don't know how they pulled it off again editing trickery, I'm sure, but it's so seamless so some of the lighting they did too in some of the shots works really really well with how they like, wanted you to see, whatever it was they were trying to have.

Speaker 2: 1:36:22

You see, I think that's part of the magic of this too, is how it looks so shitty, but it's actually done really well.

Speaker 5: 1:36:29

I can also confidently say that if I was in that situation with those guys and the operator was possessing us, I can confidently say I can whoop every single dude's ass there Alex scrawny ass motherfucker. Jay scrawny ass, motherfucker. Jay scrawny ass, motherfucker.

Speaker 3: 1:36:46

Tim might actually put up a fight tim looks like he could kick my ass or like brian's, the only one of them that looks like he would really pack a punch, but brian and tim.

Speaker 2: 1:36:55

Like I'm a small dude, I'm gonna make sure they got rid of him early.

Speaker 5: 1:36:58

Yeah, yeah, right I'm a tiny boy 6'4" 280. 6'4" 280. I'm a small boy. I'm 5'5". I weigh like a buck thirty. I'm tiny. I could manhandle Alex dog. I would whoop his ass If his ass came at me saying I gotta kill you. You're infected. His ass is going down.

Speaker 2: 1:37:20

Not anymore, because you get to see what he looks like now that he's like 40 in the new nowadays yes, with the new trailers yeah he looks like he's got dad's strength now yeah, I got dad's strength.

Speaker 3: 1:37:32

Now it'll be a match, dad against dad uh, while I was watching through the first time I watched through the videos fucking I was sitting there with lissa and, like they, I don't remember what was happening exactly. I think it was, uh, I think it was when tim was trying to convince jay to take his pills and like go see the therapist or the doctor or whatever they have like such a bad case of like tough guy syndrome, like they just like they all do like I won't take the help from my male friend.

Speaker 3: 1:38:01

I don't need no one's help. Like that kind of attitude and like they just like wouldn't talk to each other. They just wouldn't like. There's so many situations I was like man, so they just would have talked like get the police involved.

Speaker 5: 1:38:14

Dog like yeah, I'm a huge, I'm gonna go and say fuck the police, yeah yeah, I'm gonna go and say fuck the police, but like, at a certain point you've seen a man murder another man, give the police these tapes. It's out of your hands, dog like.

Speaker 3: 1:38:26

I'm not gonna lie, that is a trope. I see in a lot of stuff, and that's not just YouTube videos.

Speaker 5: 1:38:30

I feel like we've brought that up a lot yeah, I want to make an analog horror where shit hits the fan and our pro tech is like nah and gives it to the police and it just ends there was one where they tried that and the police what was that?

Speaker 2: 1:38:43

one where the police didn't believe them and then and then, yeah, the baby cop. One where where they put baby cop on the case and then he talked, and then he talked to like australian or whatever private detective who was just totally useless yeah, that's true.

Speaker 5: 1:38:59

That's very true. I don't know, at a certain point, get the police involved. Dog, you have footage of a man killing another man. Yeah, you have footage of a man killing another man, stalking you. Being ease, you have all this on tape. Give it to the police man. I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 3: 1:39:18

I don't know, a giant man named.

Speaker 5: 1:39:20

The Operator is possessing all my friends. Maybe go arrest them, book them Lou.

Speaker 3: 1:39:25

Get them Lou.

Speaker 5: 1:39:27

But, yeah. Loved it. I would watch it again, not binge it, though this you mentioned it before If this was like if this was hot and fresh, came out week by week, I would love this, binging all nine hours of this In like a week miserable.

Speaker 3: 1:39:42

That's. That's the problem that we have, though like we, we have to for our line of work here, so sometimes you get that like that binge sickness from a, a series that you watch. You're just like fuck, there's a point.

Speaker 5: 1:39:55

There's a point where I got to like episode like 65 66 and I was like, oh, thank god, there's only like 87, I'm almost done. And then I checked the playlist because it had like the fucking r shit in there and there's like another 40 videos. I about texted you like I'm not coming into this episode. I was so close to being like I'm done with this. It fucking. This was like two days ago. I was, I was, I Like I. I met my breaking point.

Speaker 2: 1:40:24

It was a slog for sure. There's just yeah.

Speaker 5: 1:40:27

There's just so much for it.

Speaker 2: 1:40:28

There's just too much filler.

Speaker 5: 1:40:31

Yeah, I'm, I met my breaking point two years ago. I think I found that point before on an earlier. I think it was ash vlogs before they did it to me too. But I, I met my breaking point. I don't want to be here again.

Speaker 3: 1:40:46

I never have I felt so numb. I need someone. What someone needed to do was be like okay, they need to give it the one piece treatment, where they like write out all the episodes you need to watch that like really matter, and then just there's a playlist with just that in it where's fucking Topher Grace to cut out all the filter?

Speaker 2: 1:41:02

I was gonna say I bet, if somebody was real dedicated to it they could take that mega cut and they could go through and make like a cinematic cut of it. That would be like two hours long maybe.

Speaker 5: 1:41:11

Oh yeah definitely, because most of the art shit is just ooh, edgy, scary because it's, you know, 2010, so it's, it is creepy at that time, but now it's just like, yeah, we've seen this a million times, it is creepy at that time.

Speaker 3: 1:41:23

But now it's just like yeah, we've seen this a million times, I guess. If that's the end note there, I will say again go to their website, grampocom, buy their shit, buy their merch, buy their comics, support these guys. I really want to buy the DVDs. I'm not going to lie, lie, but season two is sold out and that makes me sad.

Speaker 5: 1:41:44

So and then when you're done with that, um, exit out of that tab, open a new tab. Type in duallycom buy our merch subscribe to our shit.

Speaker 2: 1:41:53

You know that when you get done by mike's next day, yeah, when you get done with that.

Speaker 3: 1:41:57

Open a private tab and just go you're gonna be going, I'm not calling off.

Speaker 5: 1:42:06

I'm not doing a call off this time or sign off or whatever. I'm just gonna say thank you everyone for listening to the 200th and the 201st. Thank you for Marble Hornets super fun. 9 out of 10. Would recommend very fun it was.

Speaker 5: 1:42:19

It was a slosh to get through, but again, that's because we watched all 9 hours in one week. If I didn't do that, if I had my time, if we had a month before we recorded this and I just watched it, it'd be magical. Take your time, watch through it. It's super fun. Nine out of ten Would recommend. What are you boys going to say? I'm done.

Speaker 2: 1:42:37

I came up with a username partway through this. Somebody name partway through this, so somebody should steal the username. The operators goonstash, because I think it's pretty good.

Speaker 5: 1:42:51

Troy will hit you up. Whatever his name, troy Wagner, whatever his name is, he'll hit you up.

Speaker 3: 1:42:55

What about the name? Come on through my goondor come on through my goondor it's an action it's an action. It's an action you like the actions remember.

Speaker 5: 1:43:07

I just got so fucking terrified yeah, I was just watching oh my god, that was not the time.

Speaker 2: 1:43:14

I saw the shadows appearing and I was like man the craziest shit would be if Lizzie had a slender man costume or something. You just see the head like slip in.

Speaker 3: 1:43:23

But yeah, fucking, I forgot. Liz had a Slender man costume or something. You just see the head slip in. But yeah, I forgot what I was saying.

Speaker 5: 1:43:28

We're saying bye, Bye everybody.

Speaker 3: 1:43:31

Nine out of ten. I'd give it a nine, nine and a half out of ten. Super worth your time. Goon, the word goon. This episode brought to you by the word goon. Sounds like a band name. Word goon.

Speaker 1: 1:43:55

Word goon the word goon this episode brought to you by the word goon sounds like a band name word, word goon. Yeah, what do you say? Anything? Everything. All I already said I steal that username. Okay, bye everybody thanks for 200. Love you guys.

Speaker 2: 1:44:15

Don't look under the internet. Outro Music.